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  •  "State involvement" in the environmental (7+ / 0-)

    context is code for "gut the law."  Every point the diarist has raised is a way to roll back protections of the ESA.

    •  Did you follow the link to Rand Paul's bill? (1+ / 0-)
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      Wordsinthewind

      That's your alternative, you choose,

      States are already involved, on a very large scale. See that ferret up top? I paid for that. Not my state but me and fellow hunters and anglers in my state. We're happy to pay for the actual saving of species but we wish to spend our money a little more wisely and we want you to participate also.

      We'd also like to base our efforts on scientifically valid concepts. If we are paying the bill, and we are doing the work, the least we can expect is for the reasons and methods of our work to be based on science, not the emotions of some far away lady on some keyboard donating to baby seals.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 01:53:37 AM PST

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      •  False choice (1+ / 0-)
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        IN other words the choice is fried shit or deep fried shit.  It's either gut the law or worse.  

        Here's an idea, how about strengthening the law?  

        You keep citing Democratic governors but three of those same governors have shown that they are not immune to special interests who could care less about preserving wildlife so long as it conflicts with their interests.  

        Thanks but no thanks.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 03:45:12 AM PST

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        •  So the Democrats are no good (0+ / 0-)

          and the Republicans are no good
          The only folks who really understand are you and those like you and you are even having doubts about those like you.

          The ESA will be changed. It can be strengthened by making those parts that aren't working now, workable, or there is the Rand Paul version which is what you would like.

          Good luck with that.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 06:09:20 AM PST

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          •  ban nock, the great desire: (1+ / 0-)
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            one side or the other, will have a stupendous moral victory.

            Paulites: Zero endangered species and widespread rape of the land.  Fuck the American Black Footed Ferret and the Prairie Dog rode in on.

            Twue Believers: Zero mining, farming, ranching.  
            A vegan hiker's paradise will await the righteous, as we consume veggies and soy lattes from China, or Peru.

            Which by treaty, we have to respect their designation of Organic as whole-truth.  Either way, Monsanto® maintains a market advantage.

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