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  •  Down below 6412093 notes those exact same (1+ / 0-)
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    "jackbooted thugs" "hamfisted" etc etc etc people don't care about his salmon, but his objection is coming from the conservation side of things.

    I think that when allowed to do their job the FWS does a fairly decent job of things. They are pushed from both directions by private groups who don't seem to have species conservation as a goal.

    One group wants to develop and exploit resources, and the other group wants to end the same as well as move the people off the land who live there. If species is our goal we'd be better served by allowing the scientists, the vast majority of whom work for the states, to more closely dictate policy. States are the ones footing the bill and state employees are the ones doing the work. When state sympathies are at odds with the Feds the results can be disastrous as in North Carolina.

    The ESA is long past due for large changes. Too many of both parties want it fixed for too long. What is yet to be decided is whose version of change will occur. Remember, at least five of these governors are Dems. California, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon are all fairly liberal states.

    My motive is to educate readers in what is legislatively on the horizon for the ESA. Also to convince readers that being too extreme and radical can push the ESA into being changed sooner and in a more pronounced lurch back to the center of the issue, or beyond.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:18:37 AM PST

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    •  ban nock, you're onto something big here (0+ / 0-)

      The entire political divide is a matter of marketeers vs. conservationists.  Spewing spittle-flected invectives "republicans" only serves to obfuscate the real issue: Financial Dividends vs. Species Diversity.

      Ducks Unlimited and the Prairie Pothole Program, worked for decades in getting farmers to leave wetlands alone.  Permit flyway resting places, and nesting places to co-exist with crop production.
      There was a small stipend, and often volunteer labor to assist in doing so.
      USDA NRCS would also get involved, in paying for fencing, to keep domestic critters out of streams and rivers.  Fund wells and watering troughs.
      The alternative to permitting your livestock to wade into streams and rivers, which increases erosion and fecal contamination of the waterway.

      The Food Safety Modernization Act calls for elimination of wildlife access to farmed areas.
      Sold as "consumer protection".
      ALL Birds - out. Fecal contamination.  Ducks, geese, hawks, owls, eagles, grouse, flycatchers, crows, nuthatches, finches... no matter.
      Deer - out. Transmissible spongiform encephalopathies.
      Elk - out. Same reason as deer.
      Fox, Wolf, Coyote.  Fecal contamination.
      Scorched earth is clean earth.
      How, did this happen?

      "I should not have to interrupt my day, just to wash the produce my child eats.  I'll have you know, I have rights.
      I have a right to a life, outside of a kitchen. I have a right to be free from concerns about raising my child.  I demand action damn it."
      FSMA.  Gives the consumer all of those rights, at the expense of many wildlife species.  
      Does the small farmer who hand-harvests care?  Not really.  They often look at wildlife as enhancing the farm experience.

      The staunch supporter of FSMA, the Mega-farms, with mechanical harvesting, like big square-sided lots.  
      Ponds, and wetlands are lost value.  Negative impact upon the balance sheet.  Of seasonably variable borders, wetlands are not in-keeping with "modernization".

      Farmers, regardless of size, need not be too encouraged on the issue of eliminating marmots and other rodents.
      Between burrow injuries to large livestock, and crops lost to obligate herbivores (woodchucks), an active control program is usually in-place on most farms.

      Ferrets?  Can stay... and help with the marmot/rat issues. Just not in the chicken coop... where Chicken is always on the menu.

      •  I saw this too late to rec (0+ / 0-)

        thank you for such an informative comment. I didn't even know of the FSMA, let alone what it was about. I'll pay attention next time I see it.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 08:46:19 PM PST

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