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  •  Better Review the Agreement Again (2+ / 0-)
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    "...Note that is not to roll back previous enrichment to weapon grade.  And all this for just 6 months..."
    First, Iran has enriched no uranium to weapons grade that IAEA has been able to discover after considerable investigation.  The Iranians did enrich uranium to the 20% level for use in their research reactor, but that is the highest level they've so far achieved.  The agreement, from my reading, indicates that the Iranians will dilute that 20% stockpile back to a 3.5-5% level and take out of processable form any uranium materials enriched to the 20% level (that would be the uranium fluoride gas run through the centrifuges).  So, if the Iranians stop further enrichment to the 20% level they would have considerable difficulty making the jump to the 90+% required for weapons grade uranium.  That's why the euphoria.  

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:25:47 PM PST

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    •  Nah (1+ / 0-)
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      getting from 20 to 90 is much easier than 2 to 20, which they have already done.

      The agreement is a promise for future actions in return for immediate lifts of sanctions. It's a sucker deal if you ask me. It basically gives Iran 7 billion for a 6 month pause. And they don't even have to comply with the current UN SC resolutons. Dollars to donuts their will be "issues" with inspections.

      •  Thanks for Confirming Initial Lie (0+ / 0-)

        I applaud your honesty for confirming the initial lie that Iran had produced weapons grade enriched uranium.  While the uninformed might think that moving to the weapons grade level is simple, it isn't in reality.

        The agreement lifts hardly any sanctions at all and merely releases moneys which are due the Iranians.  Further, it justifies the IAEA continuing an intensified inspection regime during the six months.  That package pretty tightly defines what Iran needs to do to begin to loosen the sanctions, which will not be lifted.

        BTW, don't talk about ignoring US SC resolutions.  The Israelis have lit more UN SC resolutions on fire and pissed on them than any of us can count.  Somehow they're still considered to be part of the community of nations.  How come?

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 04:16:41 PM PST

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        •  A few things. (0+ / 0-)

          I did not lie, so bite me on that accusation. I should have been more clear that they were sitting at the 20% level and breaking into weapons grade is a matter of months if they have the infrastructure. It certainly is higher than the 4% need for conventional energy use. Get a clue on that.

          And a decade ago, nuclear inspectors announced they had found traces of highly-enriched uranium at a plant in Natanz. Iran temporarily halted enrichment, but resumed enriching again in 2006.

          The deal does not deal with their missile advancement.

          The agreement DOES lift sanctions, 7 Billion worth. And without ANY actions on Iran's part. Just a promise (see above).

          The inspections are scheduled, not surprises. Wow. That will work.

          Lets put it this way. Our intel about their nuke program is limited. They have violated and deceived about previous and current nuclear programs. What makes you think that a regime that doesn't include unannounced and invasive inspections is worth a grain of salt?

          And your inclusion of Israel is an obvious change of the subject but really is irrelevant to this discussion. You obviously are quite happy with Iran, the terror supporting state, to have nukes. The rest of the ME, and globe? Not so much.

          •  More Smoke and Mirrors (0+ / 0-)

            The Iranians might not need more than 5% for standard nuclear power generation, but they do need the 20% for the research reactor needed to produce isotopes used for medical and research purposes.  That's for materials the sanctions have prevented the Iraninans form buying on the global market. so they do have a legitimate domestic need.

            As I recall that claim about highly-enriched uranium began to fall apart almost immeidately after it was made.  Certainly the IAEA has not made any such announcement since.  It smelled like the yellow cake claims made about Saddam Hussein and has received the attention it deserved.

            Well, I'm sorry that I upset you because I pointed out that Israel has been just as cavalier about hewing to the UN resolutions as the rest of the actors in the Middle East.  And making claims that Iran is a terror supporting state while glossing over the support Israel has given to terror efforts within Iran and the the general terror its "security" forces exert every day in the Occupied Territories just shows your lack of seriousness.  Do your write comedy for a living?

            "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

            by PrahaPartizan on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 11:16:48 PM PST

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            •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

              "The Iranians might not need more than 5% for standard nuclear power generation, ". It isn't might, the simply do NOT need more than 4 or 5%.

              Says it all. You can call it optimism, I'll call it naiveté.

              It isn't a claim, Iran IS a terror supporting state. Do you wrote fiction for living?

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