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  •  Nationalists generally are more virulent in (1+ / 0-)
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    countries where there is no freedom of the press, like in China.

    Vietnam and India are increasingly allied because China threatens both of them.

    And China doesn't conduct war games off the coast of the U.S. because they don't have the capability to do so yet and because there are no allied nations near the U.S. coast.  They love their war games far from their shores, in the EEZ's of the Philippines and Vietnam, though.

    And China sure doesn't seem to have any ethical issues with ethnically cleansing Tibetans out of existence and leaning hard on ethnic minorities.

    I don't need to cool off, but China sure does.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 05:43:28 AM PST

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      Nationalists generally are more virulent in countries where there is no freedom of the press, like in China.
      I find nationalists everywhere can be pretty irrational and virulent but if you are going to insist such behavior is indicative of lack of freedoms, than I suppose we can conclude the nationalist right in Japan, USA and even Norway are living in countries that lack freedom of the press because these folks are incendiary and rattle sabers like crazy, so that would be the logical conclusion following your reasoning.

      Citation:

      "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb,Bomb, Bomb Iran" - anonymous US Right Wing Nationalist

      I mis-stated Vietnam/India; my intention was to state these countries have been patching-up with China, not each other. Sorry, my bad English. But if you follow events, you may notice that absent some provocative behavior from the US in the past several years which has not been helpful, we seen to use diplomatic means to settle our differences. Hence, recent agreements between India and China and Vietnam and China.

      And China doesn't conduct war games off the coast of the U.S. because they don't have the capability to do so yet and because there are no allied nations near the U.S. coast.  They love their war games far from their shores, in the EEZ's of the Philippines and Vietnam, though.
      Actually, we don't have to go far to witness US war games in our region; since the end of WWII, the US has maintained a military hegemony in East Asia and a constant presence along the coast of China, and quite regularly rattle it's sabers when anyone dares to challenge that, and if we look at the history of US military interventions in that period, including a few recent preemptive wars in our backyard, Americans are in no position to question the motives of others nor point fingers and lecture about aggression.

      But I wonder how American would rect if the shoe was on the other foot, something you have little or no experience with.

      But that never stops you, and I'm afraid Mr. Obama has drunk deep from that jar of Kool Aid with his "Pivot to Asia" doctrine that even many mainstream American foreign policy experts consider rather hawkish and ill-advised since (a) the US cannot really afford the policy and (b) it creates the certain impression that the US is trying to contain China, militarily and economically, which I personally have little doubt of since I follow the policy quite studiously.

      Now Mr. Obama faces the problem; having emboldened a right wing Japanese government, the US has no choice but to stand behind Mr. Abe's revisionist, hawkish LDP due to treaty obligations and there can no longer be any pretense of neutrality in the dispute, a position the US tried to stake in the past year or so after realizing the provocations made by Clinton and Gates at the beginning of his term were unwise.

      Should be interesting.

      Well, thanks for your opinion.

      Can we agree the powerful will always claim they are noble and benevolent just as the wealthy are certain the world is fair?

      •  As a part German, I'll give you a very clear (0+ / 0-)

        example of how freedom of the press(or lack of) influences nationalism:

        Nazi Germany - No freedom of the press, virulent nationalism

        Democratic Republic of Germany - High level of press freedom, little nationalism

        There are other factors, as well, but the fact is that the Chinese Govt. loves to whip up nationalism in order to distract from internal problems.  There is no equivalent to blogs like DailyKos in China.  In fact, bloggers would be in serious danger of jail time for being as critical of their own govt. as bloggers are elsewhere.

        Another factor is, of course, imperial history and might of country.  China has that, too, which doesn't really help in dampening virulent nationalism.

        Americans have every right to lecture about aggression if they see aggression, as does every other citizen of the world.  You may not want to admit it, but China is an aggressive country with some truly messed up policies that is actively engaging in ethnic and cultural cleansing.  If the U.S. was doing something similar to what China is doing in Tibet and was trying to claim that the sea, including entire coastlines of other countries, was U.S. territory, I'd be camped in front of the White House protesting all the time.  As you are well aware of, that is not something that you would be allowed to do in China.

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 09:44:07 AM PST

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        •  Are you serious? (0+ / 0-)

          On the basis of your reasoning, no country should ever trust the USA given its history of expansionism, imperialism and ethnic cleansing.

          Have you not studied American history 101?

          And are you not aware the US has 700+ foreign bases including several new ones in Asia including in China's back yard?

          While China, the expansionist menace has exactly zero?

          Suggest you get a few more facts before you argue further.

          •  Has the U.S conquered and annexed any (0+ / 0-)

            foreign countries recently and then proceeded to ethnically cleanse them, like China is currently doing in Tibet?

            Is the U.S. run by a bunch of corrupt dudes who can't be replaced in elections if the people decide they want to get rid of them?

            I suggest you talk to some Indians, Mongolians, South Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, or Filipinos and ask them which country they are more wary of.

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 11:50:57 PM PST

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            •  You don't know me and don't know China (0+ / 0-)

              I am a Chinese working for a Japanese company for more than 20 years and have visited virtually every country you have mentioned and have friends in all, including the USA where I attended university.

              I know the history in all directions but you apparently are totally ignorant of the facts of US history to an extent I find incredible.  

              Are you even remotely familiar with the treatment of native Americans, African Americans and Asian Americans (particularly Chinese who were subject to violence, disenfranchisement and systematic discrimination) at the hands of European immigrants?

              Or how many people have been killed by American military in just the past decade alone?  What planet are you living on?

              Furthermore, you are so virulently anti-Chinese that there is no further purpose to this discussion.

              I have one request: do not respond to my posts here ever again and I will do likewise for you as I have been a member in good standing here for more than 8 years and have every intention of remaining so.

              End of discussion.

              Please leave me alone.

              Thank you for respecting my request.

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