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  •  I am somewhat encouraged by (9+ / 0-)

    this new Pope but not at all enthusiastic about Joel Osteen.

    I consider him to be a showboat and an egomaniac.  A polished huckster.  I note the passage you quote, but as for that issue, there were drag queens with more clarity of purpose and nobility of resistance at the Stonewall in late June of 1969.  Joel Osteen might defer to their experience before offering his Hallmark comment.  

    When I think of people with the capacity to inspire spiritual change in self or others, there are many thousands whose names come to mind long before Joel Osteen.

    •  I can't argue... (3+ / 0-)
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      but I do admire the message, if not the messenger.

      •  It's one fragment of Osteen's (0+ / 0-)

        long-standing cluelessness on LGBTQ concerns.  

        He's not much of a Christian, in this non-believer's lay opinion.  If those cameras were turned off, what Christian scholars would pay any attention to him at all over a cup of coffee?  

        And not to belabor the point, but sacrifice and service and exile and redemption are themes which wildly predate any televangelist.  IMO Joel Osteen is to Christianity what the Weather Channel is to weather.  

        •  I'm not seeing your complaint against him. (0+ / 0-)

          More technically you're not citing a specific issue that causes you to raise the accusation of huckster.

          "Showboat" is a qualitative term that's relative to the observer so it's hard to really base anything off that.

          by DAISHI on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:06:33 AM PST

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          •  Nevertheless, I'm extremely (1+ / 0-)
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            comfortable with the assessment.  

            Following Osteen's public remarks on LGBTQ issues, which he has often made and which I did cite in my first comment, he leaves little reason for anyone to conclude anything other than that at best Osteen's a showboat and more likely a huckster.  

            Polished and agreeable to a certain audience, maybe.  But a throbbing fraud all the same.  

          •  I'll try to explain: (3+ / 0-)

            Osteen doesn't understand the Gospels. I don't care if he went to seminary. I didn't. But I've read the Bible, and I understand the Bible, especially the New Testament. Osteen doesn't. (That's my being being charitable to this preacher's kid. The other option is that he does understand the New Teastament just fine, but chooses to twist it for his own profit.)

            He's basically a The Secret or Anthony Robbins knock-off, except he tosses God in there to appeal to Christians.

            Osteen’s attraction is found in what he is offering which is nothing less than a life of good health, abundance, wealth, prosperity and success, “If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you” (p. 5).[7]  Since these are the things most people treasure and, since Jesus informed us that “where your treasure is, there your heart will be also” (Matt 6:21), it is predictable that the seductive promise of a map leading to these treasures would find many adherents.   And it certainly does.  But what specifically is being offered?

            I think you might do well to actually read through that whole link. It's pretty short but comprehensive.

            I'm a liberal Catholic-turned-Lutheran. I don't think my beliefs line up with the people who maintain that site, but their analysis is spot on.

            I was at my parent's house and saw Osteen's book. I asked my dad about it. He waved it off, said a mega church  family member said "oh, you just HAVE to read this!" I asked him what he thought. He said, " you read it."

            So I took it home. I could barely get through the first few chapters before I had enough.

            New age argle bargle with name dropping of God for credibility, it's slick prosperity gospel that makes Osteen very rich.

            © grover

            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 10:27:36 AM PST

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    •  The photos in this diary say it all. (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps I am misreading things, but, just from the photographs of the two individuals....

      Pope Francis has kind eyes.  His expression is one of a caring, welcoming individual.  He is looking directly at his interviewer.

      Joel Osteen looks very satisfied with himself, and gazing off in the direction of who knows what.  And with 40 million bucks in his bank account, one might understand what I am reading as his smugness except for the fact that Jesus lived a very different way and told the rich young man who wanted to gain eternal life that he should go and sell everything that he had and give the proceeds to the poor

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