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  •  The Christ of the Bible wasn't quite that nice... (3+ / 0-)
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    According to Matthew 10:34:

    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I have come to turn a man against his father,  a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—   a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
    That is really the fundamental problem of Christianity, or any other religion based on historical (or pseudo-historical) figures.  There is Christ who (possibly) existed, the Christ who  was written about two thousand years ago, and the Christ that we would like to follow today.   Not only are the versions contradictory, it is sort of like deciding to be like Thomas Jefferson who was a great man... except for the bit about slaves.
    •  You're reading it wrong. (7+ / 0-)

      Christ wasn't making a "do this" statement (be violent), but rather a simple prophetic statement of fact. Family members have indeed been at odds with one another-- spiritually and physically-- because of what Christ did and who he was.

      He NEVER encouraged his followers to violence-- just the opposite.

      As to the original diary-- It is great that there is a wider movement to 'be like Jesus', but we should be careful to retain the theological lens explaining why Christ was so 'good' and what he did for the world in death and resurrection. Otherwise, you're just a do-gooder with no grounding for being so.

      Joel Osteen, an expounder of the Prosperity Gospel is widely considered heretical by other Christians in his 'think positive and it will happen' teachings.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair via Al Gore; -6.62, -5.28

      by bluejeandem on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:55:24 PM PST

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      •  Jesus believed in everlasting (0+ / 0-)

        torture in hell. He even condemned people he never met to it.   I personally don't think that a god or a savior who subscribe to this cosmic system of everlasting punishment are very moral.  It was when I realized that I was more moral than either god or Jesus that I left them both in the dust.

        Whenever I bring this up, there is total silence from Christians, both fundamentalists and liberals.  I wonder why?

        •  That's just flat-out wrong (0+ / 0-)

          The idea of everlasting torment of nonbelievers in a place called Hell is a fairly recent invention influenced by Dante's Inferno and other such 'cultural' misunderstandings. In fact, Christ never even said the word 'Hell', he spoke of a literal place outside the walls of Jerusalem called Gehenna, where bodies and trash were burned up- not tortured forever. The Christ you don't believe in is not the Christ revealed in the Gospels. It sounds like you're retroactively applying mischaracterizations of Christ onto scripture, when all you have to do is read them to know that is a false reading.

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair via Al Gore; -6.62, -5.28

          by bluejeandem on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 11:15:55 PM PST

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          •  Sorry, but it's in the texts. (0+ / 0-)

            And if the translation of the term hell only refers to a place outside Jerusalem where bodies were burned, then why does that let Jesus off the hook? He is still condemning those who don't listen to him to the torture of fire.

            Matthew 11:20-24..."you shall be brought down to Hades". Same thing reported in Luke 10:15

            Matthew 25:46  "and they wil go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

            Luke 12:4-6  "fear him who, after he has killed, has power to cast into hell."

            Overall the message of this character is that people are to believe in him and accept his cosmic system or be sent away, separated, burned, have divine wrath come down on them, etc. etc.  He says it in every chapter in one form or another. He is not an inclusive, ecumenical kind of guy.  The fact that most people do not see that is amazing to me. The whole story of salvation is divisive.

    •  That's because strong convictions (4+ / 0-)

      can do exactly what you're quoting here. Sometimes those convictions are worth provoking that reaction.

      by DAISHI on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:08:38 AM PST

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    •  hey OG, this is drastically OT but, have I ever (0+ / 0-)

      asked you exactly where you live (assuming its on Orcas)? Since I grew up there (70s) and have been back every year since, I pretty much know the island yard-by-yard.  Where's your yard?

      I see you've been poking the Christers again, here--can't you just leave them alone?  they have enough troubles...

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