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  •  Jesus believed in everlasting (0+ / 0-)

    torture in hell. He even condemned people he never met to it.   I personally don't think that a god or a savior who subscribe to this cosmic system of everlasting punishment are very moral.  It was when I realized that I was more moral than either god or Jesus that I left them both in the dust.

    Whenever I bring this up, there is total silence from Christians, both fundamentalists and liberals.  I wonder why?

    •  That's just flat-out wrong (0+ / 0-)

      The idea of everlasting torment of nonbelievers in a place called Hell is a fairly recent invention influenced by Dante's Inferno and other such 'cultural' misunderstandings. In fact, Christ never even said the word 'Hell', he spoke of a literal place outside the walls of Jerusalem called Gehenna, where bodies and trash were burned up- not tortured forever. The Christ you don't believe in is not the Christ revealed in the Gospels. It sounds like you're retroactively applying mischaracterizations of Christ onto scripture, when all you have to do is read them to know that is a false reading.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair via Al Gore; -6.62, -5.28

      by bluejeandem on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 11:15:55 PM PST

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      •  Sorry, but it's in the texts. (0+ / 0-)

        And if the translation of the term hell only refers to a place outside Jerusalem where bodies were burned, then why does that let Jesus off the hook? He is still condemning those who don't listen to him to the torture of fire.

        Matthew 11:20-24..."you shall be brought down to Hades". Same thing reported in Luke 10:15

        Matthew 25:46  "and they wil go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

        Luke 12:4-6  "fear him who, after he has killed, has power to cast into hell."

        Overall the message of this character is that people are to believe in him and accept his cosmic system or be sent away, separated, burned, have divine wrath come down on them, etc. etc.  He says it in every chapter in one form or another. He is not an inclusive, ecumenical kind of guy.  The fact that most people do not see that is amazing to me. The whole story of salvation is divisive.

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