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  •  Yeah, I have major questions (3+ / 0-)
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    about the mysterious death of John Paul I.

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    by SouthernLeveller on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:41:00 AM PST

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    •  It is a indulgence of mine (9+ / 0-)

      to speculate about his death.  While he did not have a social network to make his thoughts universally clear, lots of folks believed that he was going to bring down a bunch of powerful cardinals involved in the Vatican Bank money laundering scandal.

      There was a tiny glimmer of change and then we got fucked by the conservatives who gave lip service to the poor.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:44:36 AM PST

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      •  Ah yes, (2+ / 0-)
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        the popular Vatican Bank theory.

        Meh. All this because the Holy See glossed over the identity of the person who found the Pope deceased (a nun, according to some claims). Absent evidence, though...

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        by raptavio on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 09:24:01 AM PST

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        •  There was no autopsy, AFAIK. (1+ / 0-)
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          The Vatican has its own laws, and presumably complied with them, but it fueled suspicion of such an unexpected death.

          •  Still, (0+ / 0-)

            absence of evidence.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:28:32 PM PST

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            •  An absence resulting from an unforced decision (1+ / 0-)
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              Made by those who would be the obvious suspects.

              Most managers in that situation, if they had both sense and nothing to hide, would've made sure to have a competent determination of cause of death.

              •  But the Vatican has a longstanding protocol. (1+ / 0-)
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                That protocol is to not autopsy the deceased pontiff.

                That they didn't break protocol is not evidence of foul play.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 04:13:35 PM PST

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                •  wasn't aware of the protocol. (1+ / 0-)
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                  It would've been a good time to break it, but I'll lower my official suspicion level on this to a slow simmer.  thanks for the info!

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