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  •  Perception Becoming Reality? (3+ / 0-)
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    [OldJackPine]

    Used to be that there was an ethic attached to one-shot kills on game. It demonstrated the intersection of skill, patience, and concern for making as humane a shot as possible. Wish we could recover that.
    [FrankRose]
    It is still there. Where did you get the idea that we 'lost that'?
    Oh, I dunno, maybe people buying semi-automatic assault weapons and claiming that they were for hunting?

    "I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor." ~ Pope Francis

    by paz3 on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 12:36:09 PM PST

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    •  Semi-autos are used for hunting. (0+ / 0-)

      The existence of semi-autos is as irrelevant to a discussion of 'hunting ethics' as the existence of bolt-action, pump-action, or any other mechanical action is to it.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 12:43:54 PM PST

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      •  I think you just proved the point above, didn't (2+ / 0-)
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        coquiero, samanthab

        you?

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 02:14:37 PM PST

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        •  Not at all. (0+ / 0-)

          One shot kills are still the ethic and the goal, but that doesn't mean that proceeding shots aren't still occasionally needed.
          Further, particularly with bird hunting there can be more than one.

          Do you think that the existence of double-barrel shotguns preclude a one-shot ethic?

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 02:30:52 PM PST

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      •  Not Quite What I Meant (1+ / 0-)
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        coquiero

        I said, "semi-automatic assault weapons," like civilian versions of the AR-15. The increase in sales of the assorted versions of a combat weapon, despite folks claiming to use same to hunt with, is fueling a sense of fear and near anarchy that will eventually lead to political and voter backlash against same. And the ammo for these (generally 5.56 mm /.223-caliber) will sure mess up your meat unless you get a head shot.

        I mean, I have a semi-automatic .308, sometimes it's useful to be able to keep the rifle up when shooting across a distance at large game such as elk. And considering how fast a person can pump a Mossberg, one may as well be semi-automatic.

        No, it's the combat people-killers and their offspring - the public perception of those - that's going to undo much of the Second Amendment as people tire of the blood and dead kids. Folks can go on and on about how most gun murders involve handguns, and that's true, but it's the scary "see how fast I can fire this" and "look how many rounds I can clip on to this" video game look-alikes that will force the issue. Through public perception that gun regulation opposers want this type of weapon everywhere. And that their rights override the rights of those who want to feel safer in public.

        You meet them halfway with love, peace, and persuasion ~ And expect them to rise for the occasion...

        by paz3 on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 03:28:03 PM PST

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    •  Back in the fifties, persons using artificial (1+ / 0-)
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      aiming devices, like scopes, were looked down upon, at least in some circles. And, yes, you're right, in those same circles, it simply was not acceptable to hunt big game with a semi automatic rifle.

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 02:18:20 PM PST

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