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  •  In my opinion... (2+ / 0-)
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    i saw an old tree today, 88kathy

    People who possess a gun under the premise of 'personal protection' are already to some extent mentally ill.

    •  Look, I'm not a fan of RKBA (2+ / 0-)
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      peterfallow, skohayes

      but this is sort of ridiculous. A sportsman/hunter with a shotgun isn't mentally ill.

      An athlete competing in the Olympics trap or skeet events isn't mentally ill.

      •  Well a PETA member might see the first one (0+ / 0-)

        differently.

        And what if trap and skeet were discontinued as a Olympic event, would that repeal the 2ndA.

        Olympics Dueling Pistol  DISCONTINUED    1906

        Live Pigeon Shooting DISCONTINUED    1900

        other Shooting events:

        Mixed Pistol, Revolver, Automatic Pistol, Army Gun, Full-Bore Rifle, Running Deer, Small-Bore Rifle, Free Rifle, Military Rifle.    

        DISCONTINUED

        1896, 1900, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1936

        Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

        by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:32:13 AM PST

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        •  that wouldn't make PETA person correct (1+ / 0-)
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          insane? really, you're better than that kathy.

          •  Hunting is not tiddly winks. It is a blood sport. (0+ / 0-)

            Is not a justification for possession of guns or proof of sanity. (it's not reason to ban guns or proof of insanity either) It is what it is.

            And Olympic sports come and go. The dueling pistol competition must have been quite a spectacle. So up until 1906, you could just say we were practicing for our upcoming dueling pistol competition. There was some agony of defeat involved.

            Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

            by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:01:15 AM PST

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      •  well, to be fair... (2+ / 0-)
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        fcvaguy, poco

        the commenter above did say only those who possess under the premise of "personal protection', which wouldn't inclue the sportmen/hunter types or the athletes engaged in trap or skeet shooting.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 01:00:52 PM PST

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    •  That's really not fair to the millions of people (3+ / 0-)

      who seek and get treatment for mental health issues, such as anxiety, paranoia, and delusions. Most people who suffer from mental illness are not violent, and most will never seek to own a gun.

      Please don't reinforce the problem of prejudice/stigma that already serves to inhibit people from getting healthcare that they may need and deserve.

      ALEC/NRA wants to criminalize mental illness. It's gross, it's scapegoating, it's unfair, and it's not progressive in any sense of the word. Please don't volunteer to be their useful idiot by making such statements.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:42:53 AM PST

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      •  Oh no, that wasn't what I'd meant at all... (1+ / 0-)
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        And I also wasn't describing hunters. I was talking about people who carry weapons for personal protection (protection from other people, not snakes or bears, etc) and the associated paranoia that type of protection requires. It's a kind of paranoia that I think almost requires a certain degree of mental illness that the carrier of the protection/weapon, his/her friends, and quite a few people who might notice the sidearm are completely unaware of.
        Mental illness has been a figurative aspect of our family life for many years... I'm so sorry the comment came across any other way.

        •  Thank you for your thoughtful (1+ / 0-)
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          reply.

          Please reconsider your objective. Is it to label/stigmatize? Or is it to inspire/compel our fellow Dems to hold our elected reps feet to the fire and pass common sense gun reform?

          I believe your comment was very clear and that I understood it completely. And I believe I appreciate where you are coming from. Here in New York, an applicant for public concealed carry has to convince a county official that they have a "good cause" for being licensed to carry. Handgun owners have to get a license to own in their home... but I digress.

          There are legitimate reasons why someone may want/need to have a gun in their home or carry a gun public. Some persons are judges, undercover police officers, witnesses, who have or haven't testified in a trial, and victims of stalking and harassment, or people who have been subject to threats of violence by angry neighbors, angry relatives, angry drug dealers in their neighborhood, etc.

          Your comment really is offensive because you are dismissing a broad section of people whose lives are simply not as safe as yours. It's inappropriate because a) you're not qualified to diagnose mental illness, b) no one can diagnose mental illness based internet reports of a person's behavior, c) the diagnostic standards for anxiety, paranoia, and delusions are nuanced and don't stand alone.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 02:06:13 PM PST

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