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  •  So tell me then (1+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy

    Does the presence of these laws on the books prevent the crime, or does it merely allow us to punish those who violate them? Maybe you're posting on Kos from some dimensional wormhole connected to Minority Report-world, but folks in my reality live under laws that are only enforceable after someone commits a crime.

    I stand fully behind my statement that a criminally insane guy who is buying and selling guns illegally is obviously not deterred by a law against what he is doing. And if he is an illegal gun dealer, then he is not doing background checks and is likely catering to customers who are not going to report him for his activities, and vice versa.

    I made no statement or inference about the value of background check laws, which if you check I have a long history of supporting, but was merely speaking to this particular case as a poor example of why we need more background check laws.

    •  The places where he was buying and selling guns (2+ / 0-)
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      peterfallow, LilithGardener

      didn't require a background check.

      •  The laws regarding background checks (1+ / 0-)
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        Patango

        apply the same everywhere, or at least everywhere within a specific jurisdiction (states having different laws, etc.)

        You might be the last person who believes that the gun show loophole actually exists.

        Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

        by happymisanthropy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:51:05 AM PST

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        •  You know thats not true (2+ / 0-)
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          peterfallow, tytalus

          If you're not a registered firearms dealer, but simply a collector and you are selling privately owned guns at a gun show or flea market, no background checks are required. Even Wayne LaPierre acknowledges that.

          Feel free to disagree with me, but don't cast aspersions that I'm some kind of idiot while you're not being totally honest:

          You might be the last person who believes that the gun show loophole actually exists.
          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
            If you're not a registered firearms dealer, but simply a collector and you are selling privately owned guns at a gun show or flea market, no background checks are required. Even Wayne LaPierre acknowledges that.
            ... or anywhere else.  The same laws apply generally.

            Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

            by happymisanthropy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:47:24 AM PST

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    •  Shamash says (0+ / 0-)
      I stand fully behind my statement that a criminally insane guy who is buying and selling guns illegally is obviously not deterred by a law against what he is doing
      So mrs reality , you can prove that all " insane guys " break the law , no matter what the law says , or their  familiarity with the law ...lmao

      Most of the laws on the books are not financed properly , and that is with the blessings and determination of the " pro irresponsible gun owner " crowd , this guy should have never been able to buy a gun , period

      These people will still buy guns tho , but we can restrict that from happening with so easily

      And your not really a divine genius for pointing out the obvious , swimming in circles with your irrelevent point is one reason nothing gets done with these IRRESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS

      Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

      by Patango on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 02:15:00 PM PST

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