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  •  I'm no fan of guns. (6+ / 0-)

    I think they suck actually. But there is a LOT of stigma and stereotyping of mental illness done by people in this thread where I'd be more inclined to take your side if I didn't feel so personally insulted.

    I'm mentally ill and I hate guns. Why is it that the people who support gun control are calling people like me "dangerous", "maniacs", or "criminally insane" while the gun supporters are the ones standing up for my rights? I don't like that one bit.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:37:02 AM PST

    •  ^^^^ THIS - scapegoating of mental illness (5+ / 0-)

      Thank you Matt Z!

      This scapegoating of mental illness by ALEC/NRA is a GOP/right-wing thing. The press reinforces the false meme every fucking time there is a mass shooting that makes the news. Urban youth shoot each other every fucking day and hardly anyone is clamouring for more mental health services for them.

      Such comments, as Matt Z describes, are ubiquitous in gun diaries and really, my dear Kossacks, we should stand up to this careless, thoughtless, or deliberately offensive practice.

      I call it out and explain why it's inappropriate and should stop whenever it occurs in my diaries.

      I try to call it out elsewhere, but it's so fucking common... that I just (lamely) put people on shrink instead of moderating, or just ignore whole diaries instead.

      That's a cop out. I only take time to flag a few comments, each week. I resolve to do more.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 01:23:03 PM PST

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    •  I almost completely agree (3+ / 0-)
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      The fact that this guy Dunaway was found "criminally insane" in a court of law should not tar every person diagnosed with mental illness, the great majority of whom are no more a threat to others than the average undiagnosed gun owner. It is absolutely shameful that at a time when mental health advocates are finally starting to make some progress in the elimination of stigma (at least in some parts of the country), there are those on the left and right who appear to be trying to increase said stigma.

      The one (slight) caveat I have is that as there is a difference between the tiny subset of people who have already committed violent crimes and who were subsequently adjudged "criminally insane" in a court of law and the vastly larger subset of people with far less dangerous mental health issues, it seems completely legitimate to use an example like Dunaway to show how pathetic our current system of checking gun purchases really is.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 01:54:08 PM PST

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      •  I guess the difficulty (4+ / 0-)

        is in using labels like 'dangerous' or 'criminal' without making it into a slur. When one wanders into rhetoric like 'monsters' or 'lunatics', the invocation of stigma is much clearer. So of course I give you NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre.

        "How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame …" LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

        APA's President Dr. Dilip Jeste said in a statement over the weekend that LaPierre's comments were unfair and inaccurate.

        "Only 4 to 5 percent of violent crimes are committed by people with mental illness," Jeste said. "About one quarter of all Americans have a mental disorder in any given year, and only a very small percentage of them will ever commit violent crimes."

        Guns don't kill people. People kill guns. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

        by tytalus on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 02:28:45 PM PST

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