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  •  No true "debate" can take place (5+ / 0-)
    If you quote the Bible, you already lost the argument.
    In college the philosophy prof told us we could not use god or the Bible as an appeal to authority when we wrote an essay for class.  God cannot be proved or disproved, so the argument is invalid and the essay gets a failing grade automatically.

    A different prof for a Logic class put it thusly:

    A+B=C [Conclusion].

    If Premise A or Premise B are incorrect, C is incorrect/false.

    The person "arguing" from the side of an invisible being cannot have a logical "debate" because he has to resort to appealing to the authority of an invisible being who can't be there to scientifically prove or disprove anything the religious fellow says.  Besides, men wrote (and transcribed and translated) those books under "divine inspiration" so it can't be proved that any supernatural being actually wrote these things.

    The fellow trying to prove something by promoting his religion automatically loses the "debate" because he can't prove his premises by objective scientific means, and his opinions can't be independently tested by anyone else.

    Whether or not Nye proves his point, he will be seen by religious people to have lost because those who believe in the invisible being will say they won on faith, when they, in fact, lost on a scientific basis because beliefs cannot be scientifically proved by independent testing..., but that doesn't mean anything to those who prefer faith over facts.  It never has.

    It's like whatsherfauxface saying "Kids, Santa is real and he was white and baby Jesus was white, too."  In the case of Santa, he's pure fiction.  Rebbe Yeshua's birth was never recorded in his lifetime (there's no birth certificate, no contemporary writers remarked on his birth (or, later, his death - and lots of people were apparently crucified on a cross, so that wasn't anything unusual), so no one knows for sure when the birth was (probably around lambing season, perhaps March) but the early church adopted a pagan holiday as the birth day to steal the winter solstice celebrations and gain converts to Christianity), and the earliest texts for the Bible can only be dated to the second century after the alleged death on the cross, and his "father" was the invisible sky god, so no verifiable proof there.  i.e., he was "made" in man's image, ergo, he's fictitious.  The whole male trinity is fictitious.  It was made up to dominate the earlier female trinity of 'maiden, mother, crone.'

    Still, the religious fellow will lie his head off for the sake of his faith, scoff at the mere idea of scientific testing, and those who think faith is a good reason to believe lies will think Nye lost, no matter what.  They prefer tales of fictitious beings to verifiable scientific data.

    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
     -- Seneca the Younger (ca. 4 BCE – 65 ACE)
    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
     -- Susan B. Anthony
    You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
     -- Anne Lamott

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 04:51:41 AM PST

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    •  You should be able to refer to the bible . . . (0+ / 0-)

      to impugn Ham.  There is a wealth of fine legal points in the Old Testament, particularly Leviticus.  Ask Ham about his dietary habits.  If he doesn't keep kosher, he doesn't believe in the Old Testament.  If he arrives with his head uncovered, he doesn't believe in the Old Testament.  Doesn't believe in the Old Testament.  If he counters that Jesus relieved us of those responsibilities, then suggest that he also relieved us of the need to believe in the literal truth of the self-contradicting Old Testament.

      Or, ask him what a parable is.  Then ask him, "If you believe that the son of your God expressed truth through illustrative fiction, why is it inconceivable to you that his father would do the same with the 'received wisdom' of the prophets?"

    •  Answer to no "true" debate can take place (1+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO

      Several years ago there was this huge fiasco in Dover, PA. where they tried to officially introduce Creationism into the public school system. At the time, I was living in the Central York School District, the district next door but a world away. Such an embarrassment Dover was, and the town was very split among Bible thumpers and forward-thinkers. Well, the case went to trial, which is a sort-of debate. People had their say, and if you remember, the Creationists came off sounding rather empty and lost the case. They had chomped at the bit for this case and ended up losing--lets hope Nye reads some of this before the debate, but they can be debated and beaten, although they will NEVER acknowledge it.

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