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  •  That humanity has survived the tendency (27+ / 0-)

    of the rich, powerful and corrupt (which all to often go together) to exploit it to the fullest is a testament of sorts to humanity's resilience. What amazes me is not that this happens, with alarming (and disgusting) frequency, or even so brazenly (like almost literally breaking into your neighbor's house and stealing his food, beating his children, killing his dog and raping his wife), but that we've somehow managed to survive and even thrive in spite of it.

    Perhaps our would-be corrupters and exploiters just don't know when and where to stop, and hubris is our savior. Or do we ultimately rise to our own self-defense against their ravages? Is it a combination of both?

    In any case, I will take enormous delight in seeing these bottom feeders get their just deserts--even as I realize that even now their replacements are scheming to do it all over again. Because it's the NJ way.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 05:39:50 AM PST

    •  I think they are a small percentage of the (24+ / 0-)

      human genome and turn up everywhere. Eventually, the generous communities that put up with them, come to the realization that "enough is enough" and call a halt. It does require an intervention. Some are self-destructive. I think that's why the seven deadly sins are called that:

      wrath
      greed
      lust
      sloth
      pride
      envy
      gluttony

      I think what they are are obsessive manifestations of basic instincts that get "out of hand," so to speak. Envy, for example, is likely derived from admiration and prompts imitation, a good instinct, but then, perhaps when imitation is frustrated or the expectations are unrealistic, envy combines with wrath and, like Cain, the love object is killed.
      Lust, btw, should probably be de-linked from sex. The lust for power, manifest as subjugation, is much more destructive. It's the lust for power that causes much hurt.

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      by hannah on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 06:06:02 AM PST

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      •  Calling this "Generous" is being overly generous (7+ / 0-)

        I think that for adults to be ok with such behavior is due to some combination of stupidity, laziness, cowardice, fear and self-interest. Most people just don't want to get up off their fat asses and risk bad consequences to themselves (and/or endanger their own little perks) by going after such obvious corruption and malfeasance. The corrupt know this, and exploit it fully. That a relatively small portion of humanity will always try to exploit the rest is unavoidable. That humanity allows itself to be exploited is, I believe, its own fault.

        Corruption is a mirror.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 06:27:22 AM PST

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        •  Right. Blame the victims of the scammers. (3+ / 0-)
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          That, too, is easy, but it doesn't stop the predators.

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          by hannah on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 06:40:46 AM PST

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          •  Yes, I do, in that very specific sense (4+ / 0-)

            At a certain point one has a responsibility to get one's head out of one's ass, understand how the world works and do something to defend yourself against it--and stop being so fucking afraid and selfish because it's not "your" problem.

            Or else why are we all here, doing what we do?

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 06:50:17 AM PST

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            •  I don't think it's a matter of defense. I think (10+ / 0-)

              it's a matter of abuse and abuse requires an intervention from outside because the victim of injury can't resist without risking additional injury and becoming an instrument of his own abuse.
              Indeed, I think what we organize government for is to intervene when abuse (whether from natural forces or man-made excesses) threatens.
              For some reason, the U.S. is fixated on death which, in the end, we can do nothing about, while the abuse, some of which actually results in people dying before their time, is something we could do something to stop.
              Why do we countenance 40,000 vehicular deaths a year? Why not provide convenient, alternative transport for people who obviously aren't suitable operators of lethal machines? Because every adult in his own cage on wheels is freedom? Because hundreds of thousands injured and maimed provides income? Because we let people who don't like their own kind very much make decisions for the rest of us? 'Cause we don't like people, either?
              Where does this antagonism come from?

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              by hannah on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 07:02:23 AM PST

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              •  Nonsense (3+ / 0-)
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                A majority of Americans have been voting for their GOP abusers for decades now. Not always, thankfully, but often enough to have allowed them to do massive damage to them and the US. So I'm supposed to take it easy on the millions of certifiable morons who were taken in and continue to be taken in by the likes of Reagan, Bush and Christie, because they were supposedly "tough" and "patriotic" or something (or, more often than we care to admit, because they believed that their policies would benefit THEM, even if at the expense of everyone else--yes, Repub voters tend to be stupid AND selfish).

                Sorry, no can do. People who vote for the likes of these monsters are either too stupid to take seriously, or else know who they're voting for, and thus deserve to be screwed by them. But why should everyone else suffer for their stupidity and selfishness? And that's the unsolvable problem with democracy, that most voters tend to be too stupid and/or selfish to vote right.

                "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                by kovie on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 07:57:28 AM PST

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              •  "Where does this antagonism come from?" (6+ / 0-)

                Where did all the streetcars go?

                We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

                by nuclear winter solstice on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 08:09:36 AM PST

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        •  Well, we shan't blame the victims, shall we? (0+ / 0-)

          I mean, there is a truth in warning people that they are being cheated and then you have to step back, because some of them might actually retaliate on your telling 'em the truth...

          But the great majority have been distracted with bread and circuses and are now easy prey...

          Would you be that superman to swoop in and help humanity from the corrupters?

          I mean, we need some way to turn the tide...

          Ugh. --UB.

          "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

          by unclebucky on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 01:42:11 PM PST

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      •  Predatory behavior isn't binary. (1+ / 0-)
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        "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

        by nosleep4u on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 07:07:07 AM PST

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      •  Hannah, you rock. It's good to see the pairing of (4+ / 0-)

        good traits with their pressurized and warped excesses get talked about.  Much better than magic sins and supernatural beings.  Have you thought of the social and personal forces that create the frustration and metamorphic pressures that change, i.e. Admiration to envy?  Or a desire for security into greed?

        Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

        by StrayCat on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 08:39:34 AM PST

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    •  There IS a solution for this... (1+ / 0-)
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      Up against the wall, oh 1% usurpers...

      Obviously there are those in that statistic who don't deserve a fate worse than... But I'll tell ya some of 'em are living on borrowed time at their economic limits...

      The worm will turn, corrupters... The WORM will turn!

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

      by unclebucky on Sun Jan 19, 2014 at 01:38:51 PM PST

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