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  •  President Carter was defeated (4+ / 0-)
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    high uintas, andalusi, Smoh, nextstep

    because he was viewed by voters as an ineffective leader. He was an incumbent POTUS who won only six states and lost 51% to 41%. The 1980 Presidential election wasn't close, it was a rout.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 12:45:44 PM PST

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    •  And why was he seen as an ineffective leader ? (2+ / 0-)
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      happymisanthropy, Johnny Q

      If the hostages were released under Carter , before the elections , the results would have been very different .
      I was watching at the time , were you ?

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 02:29:42 PM PST

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      •  I think you are not being realistic. (1+ / 0-)
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        If the hostages had been released one week before the election, I seriously doubt the election would have been any different.  

        That was such a landslide victory -- Carter only carried 6 states.  What basis do you have for believing that if the hostages had been released before the election, he would have won?  

        I was there, too.  President Carter -- whether it was his fault or not -- was pretty universally viewed as ineffective, as unable to deal with the energy crisis, the long lines at the gas station, the huge inflation at the same time as a dismal economy.   The hostages were only a part of that view of President Carter, but his problem with the hostages was sealed with the failed rescue attempt.  It may not have been his fault, but that was the perception. That failed operation, more than the delay in the hostage release, caused Carter's problems with respect to the hostages.  

        That failed operation happened in April, 1980 and gave Kennedy momentum so that he was a serious contender to defeat the incumbent President for the nomination of his own party.  President Carter is  the only incumbent President in my lifetime who was seriously at risk for not getting renominated by his own party.  That tells you something.  

        President Carter's strategy was to paint Reagan as so dangerous that he'd press the nuclear button in a second, so that people would think that, as bad as things were under President Carter, Reagan was too dangerous to take a chance on.  Reagan's performance in the debate ("there you go again") portrayed him -- again, whether fairly or not -- as not the dangerous old man that Carter wanted him to be perceived as.  If I remember correctly, it was that debate that really opened up the race into becoming a landslide victory for Reagan.  

        I know people would like to think that if only the hostages had been released before the election instead of inauguration day, if they had been released, say, on October 15, that landslide victory of 44 states for Reagan would have turned into a Carter win.  But I've seen no credible analysis of that election that supports that.  And it's certainly not how I remember things.  

      •  indycam - I sure was (0+ / 0-)

        I was working in the MSM at the time.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 05:30:34 PM PST

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