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  •  Ah, they're leaving the pro-Maidan protesters in (4+ / 0-)

    hands of the police, huh?  Like here?:

    Oh wait, that's a rabid crowd of Russian nationalists beating up some a couple of pro-Maidan guys....

    http://www.bbc.com/...

    Hey, but the following video will surely corroborate your views of the pro-Maidan folks being thugs:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Oh wait, that's a bunch of Russian nationalists kicking the shit out of a Ukrainian dude when he's on the ground, including kicking him in the face when he tries to get up.  Yes, the skinhead-looking, super-violent thugs with the orange armbands are Russian nationalists.

    One wonders how you conveniently overlook how thuggish the behavior of Russian nationalists is while calling pro-Maidan folks thugs.

    You might want to get your news from sources other than a Russian media in full-blown propaganda mode.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 06:13:50 PM PST

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    •  Way to show totally unrelated videos! (3+ / 0-)
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      That'll teach me!
      Lawrence, I'm following this shit since December. I'm reading and watching both side of news, because I can understand them both. Do you?

      •  Ah, and if you are skilled in watching, how could (5+ / 0-)

        you miss that the first video is Kharkiv?

        Want another from Kharkiv?  How about this one, where Russian nationalists are beating the crap out of a pro-Maidan, bleeding DFH(starts at 1:45) as he is being led away by police:

        http://www.tagesschau.de/...

        That's the kind of thing that happens when Russian media whips up nationalist sentiment.

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 06:47:53 PM PST

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        •  I didn't miss it (0+ / 0-)

          The situation in Kharkiv is not how it's portrayed here. And you are falling into anti-Russian propaganda. Majority of Kharkiv population does not support Maidan, as far as I understand. Then the group of pro-Maidan tried to occupy government building and were kicked out of it by pro-Russian protesters. That's the story of it.

          •  "Anti-Russian propaganda" from whom? (3+ / 0-)
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            ER Doc, Christin, enemy of the people

            From the BBC and the Tagesschau, two of the better news organizations in the world?

            I saw you calling pro-Maidan folks thugs, yet I see a shitload of videos where Russian nationalists are kicking the shit out of defenseless people lying on the ground and pro-Russian mobs beating people who are already bloodied, Berkut special unit police employing snipers to kill people, even shooting medics, and those very same Berkut receiving Russian passports upon their return to Crimea.

            I can see very clearly that the thugs are prominent on the Russian nationalist side, no matter what Russian propaganda tries to sell me.

             

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 07:10:36 PM PST

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            •  You have a very selected string of videos (2+ / 0-)
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              I saw shitloads of videos where pro-Maidan thugs with swastikas on their sleeves and shields took over local governments all over the Ukraine with demands for central government to step down. And mind you, this happens waaay before any shots fired on January 17th. There are plenty of videos showing police officers armed with shields and sticks getting killed in the head as soon as they don't have helmets on. There are no videos, but plenty of testimonies from witnesses, when pro-Maidan thugs burned a bus with trapped police officers inside and then strapped explosives inside the armor of survivors. There are plenty of testimonies where police officers in the lanes are getting ice picks stuck in their necks after waves of "peaceful protesters". There are plenty of shit going on there and please stop living in Cold War mentality and spare me lectures. I've seen a lot of shit from both sides!

              •  Er... what? (2+ / 0-)
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                Christin, Lawrence

                Protesters strapping explosives inside the armor of bus fire survivors?  Plenty of deaths-by-icepick-to-the-neck?  I can't find anything even remotely resembling these stories on the Russian net, which would be the place to have it if it were true, nor anyone making anything near those kinds of accusations.

                If there's "plenty of testimony from witnesses", you should be able to show us something.

                Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

                by pico on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 07:33:53 PM PST

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                •  Why would you find? (0+ / 0-)

                  It would ruin your preconceive notion, wouldn't it? If you can't find this, then you didn't try. It's discussed all over russian social media. True or false, we would never know. One side claims it on provocateurs, the other claims it to be true. Clear is one thing: showing "peaceful protesters" violence does not sell.  

                  •  I'm putting in a good faith effort here (4+ / 0-)
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                    And not finding anything.  What are you search terms?   Украина + взрывчатые вещества/взрывчатки? Er.... cтавят в броню же?  What social media sites are you reading?  ЖЖ? или что?

                    Whatever it is, it's not even making the Russian news, and you know they'd be all over that if they had evidence like this.

                    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

                    by pico on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 08:28:42 PM PST

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                    •  A lot on livejournal, it's a good start as any (0+ / 0-)

                      On google, I've tried different search words: антимайдан, солдаты беркута, автобус солдатов беркута. And be careful, a lot of info are just rumors or actively pushed propaganda (from both places). But some of them have good video materials and and just by judging of the writing style you may deduce who's what. Sorry I can't help you more.

                    •  dont even bother (0+ / 0-)

                      He is here push Russian propaganda and demand sympathy for the poor Russians who enjoy invading other countries and racking up dead bodies.

                  •  I have to run for a bit, but if you find me (1+ / 0-)
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                    some sources, I'll read them when I get back.

                    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

                    by pico on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 08:38:05 PM PST

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              •  stop using putin terms (0+ / 0-)

                Like thugs.
                Its disgusting.
                As are your slurs about the Ukraine and is people.

      •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

        You are the only pro Russia pro putin person on daily kos following this. Why not enthrall us with more of your links to either Russian state news propaganda sites, or your other favorite...right wing Ct Nutter global research. You know, like you've done before.

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