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  •  The Philippines don't count? (5+ / 0-)
    The US is not going to give up it's naval bases in Foreign Countries
    •  See, that's my point. (6+ / 0-)

      We have so many foreign naval bases it's easy to lose track of some of them.

      Yes, the Philipines absolutely count.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:58:14 AM PST

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      •  We left Subic Bay back in 1992. n/t (9+ / 0-)

        My idea of the ideal GOP speech invariably involves negligent intoxication together with breathing helium for that special vocal nuance.

        by Superskepticalman on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:29:44 AM PST

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      •  No, they don't. (2+ / 0-)
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        I was there for the demob in '91/'92.

        Nice diary anyway, even with that slight little flaw.

        Tipped and rec'd.

        Nothing worth noting at the moment.

        by Bonsai66 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:11:37 PM PST

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        •  And this confusion over whether the Philippine (3+ / 0-)
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          bases are actually open just reconfirms my point.

          I edited them in, and now I'm editing them back out.

          We really do have so many bases that it's hard to keep track of them. The Russians have Sevastopol.

          We have no real moral authority to tell them to close that base.

          If you've written about the demob, I'd like to read it. That would be an interesting topic.

          An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

          by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:44:24 PM PST

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          •  I have not, but here it is in a nutshell... (4+ / 0-)
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            Our Seabee battation had was in Guam on our way back from the Gulf when Mt. Pinatubo erupted.  The ash fall from the eruption, combined with a badly timed typhoon dumped 1 - 3 feet of wet ash on the Subic Bay Naval Station, the Ship Repair Facility, the Naval Magazine, the Naval Supply Depot and the Naval Air Station at Cubi Point.  Clark Air Force base was closest to Mt Pinatubo, but didn't get hit as nearly as bad as we did.  They, however, bugged out ASAP since they're the Air Force and tend to freak out when the AC stops working.

            At any rate, we were redeployed and hit Subic, (via air from Guam into Manila, and a long slog from there on the ground), about four days after.  Olangapo city was pretty blown up, and the base was a mess. Coincidentally, the negotiations for extending the lease of the bases had been started a year or so prior, and the Phils were making noise about raising the rent.  After all was said and done, the repair estimates for bringing the bases back to full operation, along with the increased rent tipped the scales away from renewing the lease and we decided to withdraw.  Most of the assets went to Yokosuka and Okinawa, and Subic Bay and Cubi Point were repurposed for tourist and commercial applications, quite successfully.  

            The Phils turned the buildings on the Subic base into a resort, the Supply Depot became manufacturing facilities, and Cubi Point became a SE Asia hub for FedEx since the runways could handled 747s.

            Overall, a pretty good outcome...except for Clark Air Base...which was stripped to shreds by looters because the AF bugged out in a hurry with no plan whatsoever.

            But that's the Zoomies for ya'.  ;-)

            Nothing worth noting at the moment.

            by Bonsai66 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:06:17 PM PST

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            •  Cool! (2+ / 0-)
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              Thanks! I love hearing stories like this.

              An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

              by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:09:24 PM PST

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              •  BTW, my father in law... (2+ / 0-)
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                (an ancient, retired Air Fart from the Viet Nam era), went back to Subic about five years ago and paid big bucks to stay in a hotel near the beach...which was, in fact, the same BOQ (Bachelors Officers Quarters), that I stayed in for free 23 years ago.

                Again, I can say enough about my respect for the Air Force.  ;-)

                Nothing worth noting at the moment.

                by Bonsai66 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:22:57 PM PST

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          •  The bases in the Philippines were of huge (2+ / 0-)
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            strategic importance to us. As far as our government was concerned - and certainly as far as PACOM was concerned - the loss was a massive hit.

            As far as Filipinos were concerned, kicking the US out was a huge win. It took decades and cost a lot of very wonderful people their lives to install a government that would finally tell the US to fuck off.

            But they did it, and it was heroic. And all out civil war was averted. The little guys won. It was, and is, a remarkable achievement.

            But our presence is still felt, believe me. We fly sortees, we provide funds for our interests and those frequently go a bit black. But Mindanao is an ongoing problem (Clinton admin did okay with that, fyi, interesting story there, actually). Anyway, Mindanao is our only even mildly legit concern there, all others are gross.

            Just fyi. And great diary, btw.  

            "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

            by Unduna on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:57:58 PM PST

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            •  Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

              I'll look into Mindanao.

              An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

              by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:02:19 PM PST

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            •  CINCPAC didn't really think... (2+ / 0-)
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              of the loss of our bases in the PI as a big hit back in the early 90's.  In fact, I think it was a bit of a relief to have an excuse to get out of the lease extension with a legitimate reason.  Okinawa was there to pick up the bulk of the slack, and Thailand was always amenable to our transient presence.

              Even now, I think it was the right decision considering our continued and stable presence in Japan.  The US presence in the PI was always a holdover from our McArthur fetishism.

              They're better off without us there in the long run.

              And Mindanao was a problem even back when I was there.  None of us, (even those who married women from there), would even think of stepping foot on that island.

              Not unless you had a deathwish.

              Nothing worth noting at the moment.

              by Bonsai66 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:55:31 PM PST

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