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  •  The Point of This Place (0+ / 0-)

    The point of DKos is not to influence Putin.

    It's to influence Kerry and Obama. That's why legitimate criticisms of the president and secretary of state are relevant here.

    It's legitimate to criticize them for letting Russia violate Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity when Obama himself renewed the 1994 agreement with the US, UK, Russia, France and China protecting them.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:21:22 AM PST

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    •  Just what they need right now. (3+ / 0-)
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      So let's everybody scream at once.  Btw (re "letting Russia violate Ukraine's sovereignty): Exactly how would Obama have stopped Russia's incursion? Tanks? Bombs?  

      •  I was hoping... (3+ / 0-)
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        Obama was going to rally the troops of the NRA and send them over there with McCain, Graham and Nugent leading the charge. But alas, that probably won't happen but I can dream can't I ? And no I'm not being flip, I just don't understand why everything, and I mean everything, is Obama's responsibility and the conversation always comes to, "Is he up to the task?" There are a number of players and factors in this "crisis" and nobody can really claim that they know how this is going to out with any certainty. once again I'd suggest we chill and let the people we elected to lead us  take the time they need to do their job. The last time I looked Dubya and Darth are no longer in charge and we stand a much better chance with the people we have now.

      •  Not Everybody Scream at Once (0+ / 0-)

        For one, this is a blog, and this medium doesn't even permit everyone to scream at once. And Kerry and Obama don't read it.

        But others do. The intensity of the reactions is part of how the web of influence works. You are trying to suppress that because you're more interested in protecting them from complaining bloggers than in their doing what Democrats strongly want them to do.

        Which means there's no point debating it with you. Goodbye.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:30:52 PM PST

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