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  •  also, where do you get off (0+ / 0-)

    complaining about "binary thinking" and then twisting my argument into isolationism.  Kettle, meet dumber kettle.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:13:48 PM PST

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    •  I don't think you're dumber. (0+ / 0-)

      In what way is "do nothing" not isolationist for a country that has long been an international leader, is a founding member of NATO and is one of the permanent members of the UN security council?

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      by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:17:32 PM PST

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      •  in what way did i say "do nothing?" (0+ / 0-)

        i said this isn't a function of real or perceived weakness on Obama's part, and you just went to town, having an argument with yourself.  I'd be moved by the NATO thing if Ukraine were a member.  Thank God it's not.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:30:53 PM PST

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        •  I extrapolated that from your statement (0+ / 0-)
          But the point is this has next to nothing to do with the U.S.
          Maybe I read too much into your statement, but does it seem illogical to believe that you mean "do nothing" is the best response to an action that has nothing to do with the United States?

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          by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:45:44 PM PST

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          •  read far to little, (0+ / 0-)

            the cause of the invasion has little to do with the U.S.' relative "weakness" as a preciptating factor - w/r/t Crimea, any country is weak compared to Russia.  

            The U.S. should respond in a way to preserve face, but Putin's in crimea for as long as he wants to be.  

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:53:16 PM PST

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            •  Looks like you read far too little as well. (0+ / 0-)

              Which is fine.

              I guess it would be wrong to start bolstering the Ukrainian military in recognition of the fact that it is weak compared to Russia.

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              by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:58:53 PM PST

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              •  i would not support doing that (0+ / 0-)

                because then Russia just gets to blow up more American weapons come to it, or else a pro-Russian regains power and we've just armed an adversary of ours who now has the ability to further threaten actual NATO members.  Truly astounding.  

                "has nothing to do" and "should do nothing" are different tenses of different verbs.  

                Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                by Loge on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 01:11:06 PM PST

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