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  •  distinction without a difference IMHO (3+ / 0-)

    They are the same, though done in different ways and using different strategies. In both cases, they deny people their rightful wages.

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    by Tasini on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 11:17:15 AM PST

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    •  Having lived through both (4+ / 0-)

      I can assure you there's a hell of a difference between getting paid shit, and not getting paid shit.

      That you don't, tells me that you probably haven't lived through this.

      Wage theft should be a crime, but when you try to expand the definition like you are here you make sure that will never happen.  And, I'm sorry, but I think that making a dubious rhetorical point shouldn't be placed ahead of actually helping people.

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      by ManfromMiddletown on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 12:19:17 PM PST

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      •  But you're buying into their thought pattern: (2+ / 0-)
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        "You think you have it bad, someone else has it worse, so be grateful for the dregs you get."  Workers in other countries get paid less than our minimum wage is, so we should just be grateful to get that.  Some countries have no worker safety laws, so we should be happy to work in almost safe conditions.

        No, there's really no difference, other than degree, between when someone is underpaid and when they're not paid.  It's just easier for the powers that be to justify the former than the latter.  But both belong in the exact same ethical hell.

        •  people who are underpaid at least know the small (2+ / 0-)
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          amount of money will show up in their direct deposit. The ones who thought they would get paid what they were told and had budget plans based on a contract are the ones who are immediately unexpectedly screwed.

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          by nuclear winter solstice on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 03:20:15 PM PST

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          •  I realize that, but it's still that doesn't make (0+ / 0-)

            one okay and the other not.  It still makes both of them wrong; one of the wrongs is just even harder to deal with.  I'm not saying your situation isn't a bit harder; I'm saying that focusing on that fact and thus kind of dismissing the wrong of the other is simply playing into their hands.  Everyone has to stick together and not play into the "who has it the hardest" game they want us to play in order to divide us.

        •  Broken agreements. (0+ / 0-)
          No, there's really no difference, other than degree, between when someone is underpaid and when they're not paid.
          The point that I am making is that there is a difference between a situation in which the lack of bargaining power (because of the absence of unions) leads to workers being paid less than they are worth, and when employers make an agreement to pay workers an agreed upon rate, and then fail to uphold their end of the bargain. The latter should be a crime for which employers serve hard prison time, because it is real theft.

          The former is bullshit, but is a civil matter, a tort, not a crime.

          I believe that we can get laws against wage theft on the books.  But... only if the definition is narrowly crafted can we get this.

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          by ManfromMiddletown on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 03:27:20 PM PST

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      But in only one of them are they denied their legal wages.

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      by Sparhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 02:32:13 PM PST

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      •  Hmmm... (1+ / 0-)
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        so even you are agreeing that this should be a crime?

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        by ManfromMiddletown on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 03:34:30 PM PST

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        •  Violation of the law is a crime (1+ / 0-)
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          Denying people wages they agreed to work for after the fact is a crime.

          Asking people to punch out and work after the fact is a crime.

          Asking people to do non-tipped work on a tipped salary is a crime.

          "Wage theft" as commonly understood is a crime.

          Paying people minimum wage when they'd rather make more is not a crime.

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          by Sparhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 06:34:47 PM PST

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