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  •  A tad too harsh, for my taste (1+ / 0-)
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    TFGR is in the diary because he/she cares.

    •  OK, but if you think our civilization is doomed (4+ / 0-)

      because tar sands mining and burning is inevitable, how does that lead to any action?

      I apologize for the harshness of the tone--I have nothing against TFGR-- but subtract the harshness out and I still have a question.

      Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:12:43 AM PST

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      •  Well I Was Being Snarky in Agreeing That (1+ / 0-)
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        Civilization is doomed.  You'll note that I specifically said I believe this fate is avoidable if we make alternatives less expensive and more readily available.

        Here are my actual words:

        I have been around humanity long enough that I feel confident we will extract and burn everything that is extractable and burnable provided it's the least expensive option.
        Blocking the Keystone XL pipeline is a fine thing to do, because some terrorist is probably going to bomb it, and when that happens I'd just as soon it didn't happen on US soil.  But for every PENNY we spend trying to block Keystone XL we should be spending a MILLION DOLLARS trying to make non-fossil alternatives cheaper and more accessible... because that's the only thing that's going to slow the burn of the oil.  For the most part, people don't give two shits about their great-great grankids, because most people never meet them... and the current "perception" is that the death of society is so far away we shouldn't think about it.
        •  That's why I usually frame it in terms of (2+ / 0-)
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          water pollution. You'll notice that made Ed Schultz do a 180.

          And while I'm worried about terrorists bombing it, I'm much more worried about it leaking/spilling into the water supply. Which is very bad news with dilbit.

          Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:02:40 PM PST

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        •  YES ___ Massively BRIBE fossil fuel firms to turn (0+ / 0-)

          themselves into renewable energy firms And BUY their remaining fossil fuel reserves as mineral rights for a higher price than they are getting for extracted fuel.

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