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  •  The pet-coke produced from refining tar sands (0+ / 0-)

    contain far more heavy metal contaminates than the pet-coke produced from light crude. They are not suitable for burning because these heavy metal would then be released into the atmosphere. China doesn't even want them anymore.

    Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

    by RMForbes on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 04:00:46 PM PDT

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    •  there is a market for "heavy metals" . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      and extracting them with a stack scrubber is not difficult.  It may not pay the whole cost of scrubbing (which ought to be done anyway), but can put a big dent in it.

      I "get it" that you want to believe that tar sand extraction just. can't. work.  Too many "problems".  Unfortunately it can work, does work, and is working as we write.  And there will be more of it, not less.  It's a good thing to pressure them to clean up the process, it's a fools errand to try to stop it.

      The next step in cleaning it up is killing KXL and getting the near-site upgraders completed and on-line.  That puts an end to the whole "dilbit" and "pet-coke" nonsense.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 05:53:16 PM PDT

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      •  If that were the case then why are these waste (0+ / 0-)

        products from the refining process piling up and blowing around in the wind and flowing into our water? You are under the mistaken assumption that these oil cartels give a damn about anything other than making the most profits possible. They won't do anything with this pet-coke or any other toxic waste produced by the refining process unless they are forced to do so.

        Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

        by RMForbes on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 07:20:22 PM PDT

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        •  Because if you let an extractive industry... (2+ / 0-)
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          ..., any extractive industry, one single inch of wiggle room where they can "save" 10 cents a ton by cutting corners, reducing CAPEX 0.1% and dumping crap on someone else, they will always take the 10 cents, every single fucking time.

          And the Koch brothers are truly the epitome of that wretched, truly psychotic state of mind. Hence, this.

          I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

          by Farugia on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 01:13:45 PM PDT

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