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  •  never ever? (0+ / 0-)

    What if it turns out it was a slap or push from him, and the kid shot him ten minutes later?

    Are you suggesting any time a man pushes or slaps or even punches a woman it should be free reign to kill them?

    I strongly agree with much stricter punishments for abusive men.  Put em in jail, fine them severely, take away access to their kids, add all sorts of stuff, but no I think the use of deadly force rules should be the same for non-DV cases as DV cases as far as guilt or innocence.

    I would support getting rid of any mandatory minimums in DV cases to give the jury/judge the opportunity to sentence to low punishments.

    •  Nobody needs to push, slap, or punch anyone. (3+ / 0-)
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      snoopydawg, samddobermann, mamamedusa

      I think the saying is---your rights end at my nose. It's battery, possibly with assault, in any case. And it's against the law. In cases of domestic violence, man battering a woman, typically it doesn't just happen once. And typically the man is stronger than the woman. You're making assumptions not in evidence, like a time lapse or a minor dust up. Like you're looking for excuses for the batterer. The boy made a decision based on his understanding of the circumstances. The Court will decide whether his actions were justified. And your last statement about a lower punishment for domestic violence cases makes no sense to me at all. Just because people are related doesn't change anything. Unless you mean it makes it worse.

      •  of course they don't (0+ / 0-)

        not advocating that they do, but the question is, when do you forfeit your life by an assault?

        I think the line as it is drawn is correct, it has to be farther than a simple assault, it requires something threatening grievous bodily injury.

        I'm not making assumptions, I'm responding to someone making a broad claim with hypothetical examples that belie that claim.

        Lower punishment for DV cases is meant to say that those who murder an abuser in a DV case should be eligible for a lower sentence.

        •  From all the commentary re: Zimmerman and (1+ / 0-)
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          Dunn, it seems the law is subjective in regard to the killer. There has to be a reasonable fear of grievous bodily injury or death in order to justify killing. Zimmerman had some boo boos, and he walked. Dunn had his word (no evidence of a weapon or threat), and the jury hung. All we know about this case is that the woman was treated for injuries at a hospital, and her son made the decision to kill the batterer. Assumedly, we will get additional information.

          Personally, I have stopped two men from beating on women by yelling at them to stop. In both cases I didn't know the people and they were in public. And I yelled from a distance. In both cases I startled the men, and the women were able to get away to safety. In the case being discussed, maybe yelling wasn't an option.

          •  zimmerman wasn't the fault of the law (0+ / 0-)

            but the individual members (or at least some of them) on the panel, and IMO a rather poor prosecution team (at least on that case).

            Dunn again I think goes on the jury.  The law was sufficient, and in that case I think the prosecution sufficient but the jury process, while democratic, is not always accurate and sometimes in individual cases not even sufficient.

            Maybe yelling wasn't an option, maybe killing was the only recourse, time and the facts will tell, but free reign to kill abusers isn't the answer either, as emotionally satisfying or even quasi-kharmic as it may seem.

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