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  •  Congratulations to them on discovering their inner (4+ / 0-)

    Republicanism.  ie, If it might negatively affect me or my kids, it's important, if it negatively affects others, who cares?

    •  Isn't that a double-edged sword swung about (8+ / 0-)

      here? People are urged to vote in their own best interests or they are 'stupid' and don't 'get it' and then when they do they are selfish Republicans...damned if they do and damned if they don't. Whatever.

      •  Actually, around here, most of what we urge people (0+ / 0-)

        to vote for in the name of their own self-interests are things that benefit something like 99% of us.   If you actually pay a bit more attention to just what we urge people to vote for "in their own self- interests", they're not things like this, that divide up one race against another.  

        So your comment is pretty 'apples to oranges'.

        •  Right but... (0+ / 0-)

          Affirmative Action isn't something that benefits 99% of us.  It is specifically designed not to.

          •  I would disagree, with a caveat. (0+ / 0-)

            Sure, it's not a direct benefit to everyone, especially those who might 'lose a spot', but it DOES help society as a whole to help bring people out of multi-generational poverty.  It's a boost in the same sort of way that moving money from the pockets of the wealthy into the pockets of the poor isn't a zero-sum game.  The increased spending at the bottom boosts the economy by greater than a 1:1 ratio.

          •  that depends on whether one acknowledges (0+ / 0-)

            that everyone benefits from a society where large segments of society are not locked out of engines of upward mobility and elite public institutions, and where the ranks of the state's emerging elite professional, academic, entrepreneurial and artistic classes contain a diversity reflective of the society that pays taxes to support their education.

            i still chuckle at the fact that the same whites who championed prop 209 saw their numbers drop at the UCs after it passed.

    •  Wow. You think it's illegitimate for a parent (8+ / 0-)

      to complain that her child's race could be used against that child in conjunction with admission to the top colleges?  

      If the position of the races were reversed -- if African Americans were over-represented, and Asians were under-represented, would it be legitimate for parents of African American students to complain about a program that was intended to reduce the number of African American students in the top California colleges essentially by using their race against them?  

      •  I think this is the exact same reverse racism (1+ / 0-)
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        attack whites use against affirmative action, yes.  This is exactly like that white woman who sued a Texas University after she didn't get in, because if you went solely by test scores in determining admissions, she'd have been higher up in the rankings than a minority who got in instead.

        There is a very specific reason we have affirmative action programs - to work towards narrowing specific historic institutional racism disparities that has existed for centuries in this country.  We're nowhere near eliminating those intergenerational disparities, and as we've seen, and in this case seen dramatically, as soon as you abandon such programs, institutional racism jumps in to fill the gap, and whatever progress has been made is instantly wiped away.

    •  self-interest is the most powerful motivator (2+ / 0-)

      You are right- asians are purely looking out for their own interests here.  This is why broad-based coalitions are so fraught with pitfalls. In an ideal world, every group would be working towards the common interest, but if one group perceives that it is being shortchanged or taken advantage of in the coalition- then the instinct for self interest will carry the day.
      Asian americans have been voting strongly democratic in the last few elections. So I don't think it is right to say that they are only motivated by selfishness. But as I said- you cannot convince somebody to support something that is detrimental to their own children's future, no matter how much you invoke the common-good argument.

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