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  •  No. There are alternatives to giving up -- like (0+ / 0-)

    understanding the obstacles and working to overcome them.

    In this case, one obstacle is that people are not anxious to screw themselves over or to screw their children over.

    Surely there are ways to fight global warming that don't screw everybody over.  If not, the fight is most definitely lost.

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    by dinotrac on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:42:58 PM PDT

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    •  um (1+ / 0-)
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      you do understand the consequences of climate change, right? if you actually care about people being screwed over.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:49:29 PM PDT

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      •  Um, I do understand the consequences of global (0+ / 0-)

        warming.

        If you actually care about it, you should want to do something about it, not merely stew and curse those who aren't helping you out.

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        by dinotrac on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:37:43 PM PDT

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        •  I'd go further (1+ / 0-)
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          If Laurence actually cares about global warming, they should want to engage with those whom they seem to disagree, not write hit pieces that seek to delegitimize people who do not perfectly agree with Laurence.

        •  informing people (0+ / 0-)

          is doing something about it. i know this is hard.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 01:31:43 PM PDT

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          •  So you should consider it. (0+ / 0-)

            Informing people is a great thing to do.
            So is informing yourself.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 08:30:57 PM PDT

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            •  i know this is hard (1+ / 0-)
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              but this post is part of informing people. as is everything i write about climate research and climate change.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 08:40:04 PM PDT

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              •  I overstated. The problem with this post is not (0+ / 0-)

                its lack of information or even the style in which it's written.

                There's no problem with you. You're smart, you've educated yourself on the topic, your heart is in the right place, and you write well.

                A post on DK is preaching to the choir.  Nothing wrong with that. The choir likes to keep up and, sometimes,  it's members need to be reminded that they are part of a choir, not some lonely solo.

                The real need, and the hard part, is elsewhere.  Not in the corporate shill deniers, of course, but in the winnable hearts and minds around the country.  The tricky part with the rest of the crowd is that they don't need preaching. They need conversation.

                We really need evangelists now, people who can go among the unbelievers and touch their hearts and change their minds.

                Maybe that's not your thing.  That's OK.  We need people to keep the choir pumped up, too. That keeps us from slipping backwards.  It just doesn't move us forward.

                Well...maybe it does.  
                If there are good evangelists in the choir, keeping the choir revved up will help to spread the word.

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                by dinotrac on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:50:23 AM PDT

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                •  actually (1+ / 0-)
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                  hundreds of thousands of people subscribe to our rss feed, and that includes congresspeople and their staff members and members of major media. our reach goes far beyond this active community.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:29:21 AM PDT

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                  •  I don't doubt that (0+ / 0-)

                    And I could be wrong, but I think getting over the hump will take a lot of conversations -- which requires a lot of listening as well.  People need to believe that there is a place for them -- and a good place -- in the future.

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                    by dinotrac on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:27:26 AM PDT

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