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  •  All regigion (5+ / 0-)

    is basically just something made up by somebody.

    I can invest a religion right now that says I don't approve of anyone ever getting any medical treatment from anyone for any reason, ever.  I call is Assholithism.  I am born again and devoted to Assholithism with my life until all eternity.

    There, now is my business exempt from paying for ANY health care costs for any of my employees?

    •  not hardly (0+ / 0-)

      Your religion is merely a cult.  A "real" religion is a cult with a whole bunch of followers.  ( Actually the religious right believes that a "real" religion is one which believes exactly as they do.)  That is the reason that Mormans are considered a cult by many so-called mainstream Xtians.  simply not enough members. ( Mormons would disagree, since they baptized so many formerly non-believers into their religion posthumously.)

      As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

      by BPARTR on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:00:31 PM PDT

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      •  Um (0+ / 0-)

        There are more living Mormons than Jews.  Nobody thinks they're a cult because of their size, posthumous baptisms or no.

        •  I am surprised that that is the case (0+ / 0-)

          but, even accepting that it is, yes, many Xtians refer to Mormonism as a cult.
          eg google Momonsm a cult:

          Mormons Talk About: Cult? - MormonTopics.org
          www.mormontopics.org/cult‎Why this ad?
          "We are not asked to follow blindly" - Byron. See more…
          Is Mormonism a cult? - Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
          carm.org/is-mormonism-cult‎CachedSimilar
          Yes, Mormonism is a cult, a non-Christian cult because Mormonism denies
          essential biblical teachings and adds new, false doctrines. Mormonism, also
          called ...

          Why do some call Mormonism a cult? | Mormon.org
          www.mormon.org/faq/mormon-church‎Cached
          One definition listed for 'cult' in Webster's Dictionary is “a religion regarded as
          unorthodox.” Since the roots of Mormonism are not a break off from the Catholic
          or ...

          The Mormon Cult? Yes, Mormons Are a Cult, By Definition - Just ...
          mormoncult.org/‎CachedSimilar
          We prove that Mormons are a cult - and even Mormonism's defenders agree.
          Understand why Mormons are a cult - Just like everyone else. (All About the LDS
           ...

          The Plain Truth about the Mormons - Biblebelievers.com
          www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html‎CachedSimilar
          For the next thirty years, Young and his "saints" laid the foundation stones of the
          Mormon cult. Little known to most Mormons, Young was a rather rough and ...

          CULTWATCH | Mormons – The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter ...
          www.cultwatch.com/mormon.html‎CachedSimilar
          Christians have labeled Mormonism as a classical cult since its founder Joseph
          Smith created it in the 1830′s. Why? The primary reason is that Mormonism ...

          How Do I Recognize a Cult? | CBN.com
          https://www.cbn.com/...
          ... of salvation. Invariably, a cult will put something else on an equal footing with
          Christ. ... Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity in several areas. Mormons ...

          Understanding Mormonism: The Sex Cult - Jesus is Savior
          www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Mormons/sex_cult.htm‎CachedSimilar
          Mormonism is a Freemasonry demonic cult (founded in 1830 by charlatan, con-
          man, sex-pervert and 33rd degree Freemason, Joseph Smith). The Mormon cult ...

          What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe? - GotQuestions.org
          www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html‎CachedSimilar
          How are the beliefs of Mormons different from the beliefs of Christians? ...
          Mormonism, Mormon beliefs. Question: .... Is Mormonism properly defined as a
          cult?

          If Scientology is a "cult," then why is Mormonism

          a "religion"?
          americablog.com/...if-scientology-is-a-cult-then-why-is-mormonism-a- religion.html‎CachedSimilar
          Jan 15, 2013 ... When is a church a church, and when is a cult a cult? And why do some of the
          same people who get so incensed when Mormons are ...

          Criticism of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Wikipedia
          en.wikipedia.org
          .../Criticism_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter- day_Saints‎CachedSimilar
          The LDS Church and Mormonism have attracted criticism from their inception to
          ..... The Cult Awareness and Information Centre also point to comments such as

          As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

          by BPARTR on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:21:53 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

            Those are just bigots.

            •  true, but (0+ / 0-)

              no doubt they consider themselves Christians in the same way that the 9/11 hijackers considered themselves Muslims.

              I didn't say whether I thought they were correct, I simply said that many Christians refer to Mormonism as a cult.

               ( My own view, for what is worth is that Mormonism is no more (or less) of a cult than any other religion...)

              As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

              by BPARTR on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

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        •  Unless we limit that to Mormons actually (0+ / 0-)

          allowed in the Temple, instead of everyone ever baptized and folks who haven't been to an LDS church in 20 years.

          Then their numbers fall pretty hard.

    •  Sometimes (0+ / 0-)

      Courts do look into whether or not someone is lying, either about beliefs, motives, or intent.  Your stated belief that an employee was incompetent will not be proof positive against a claim of racial discrimination.  It's a credibility call.

      •  The Court evaluating the evidence (0+ / 0-)

         to determine whether your belief an employee was incompetent is sincere or just cover for bigotry is in no way comparable to a Court trying to determine if you really believe God said what you claim to believe he said.

        There are both establishment and freedom of religion clauses.  That means the State has absolutely no business ever trying to determine who is or is not sincere about their professed religious beliefs.

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