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  •  Criticizing faiths is all well (0+ / 0-)

    good as long as your own is excluded. With that in mind, I cannot overlook your implied assertion that atheism is not a faith.

    She has not become an evangelist of another religion her disgust lead her to become an atheist.

    Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

    by OIL GUY on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 12:31:51 PM PDT

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    •  Atheism is not a faith since one is not required (1+ / 0-)
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      to prove the belief of another that a mythological being exists is wrong, show me your god and I will probably change my mind. Please bear in mind just saying that belief is enough because of faith, that is just a get out clause

      •  Merriam-Webster difines Atheism thusly: (1+ / 0-)
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        a:  a disbelief in the existence of deity.

        b: the doctrine that there is no deity.

        I don't mean to challenge your belief system. But it atheism makes a judgement that there is no deity. I was an atheist in my teens, but I became an agnostic when I realized I was in no position to have any knowledge either way. To positively assert that there is, or is not, a supreme being is an act of faith as there is no real evidence to support either belief.

        I further came to the conclusion that religious discussions of this sort don't lead anywhere, and who am I to say what people believe anyway. Like you I am appalled by the sway of religious fundamentalism withing the United States and around the world. Religious tolerance has  lead to great evil in the world.

        I have also lived among religious people much of my life, from Catholics to Unitarians. I have seen religious people who feed the poor, comfort the sick and risk their lives to promote democracy and worker's rights. A few of them actually gave their lives for this cause.

        I have also seen people of different faiths and cultures come together motivated in part by their religious beliefs, but more so by their decency as human beings I do hope you read my comment beyond the first couple of paragraphs.

        Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

        by OIL GUY on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 02:11:58 PM PDT

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        •  Hey, my origial comment got chopped. (1+ / 0-)
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          Somehow I lost the last thousand words or so. I can't very well ask you to read what isn't there. I don't have time to reproduce them right now and they probably deserve a diary of their own.

          Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

          by OIL GUY on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 02:20:12 PM PDT

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        •  You dont have to have religion to do good (1+ / 0-)
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          its actually more common than some religions give humanity credit for.

          That atheism is a faith is an argument used by people that have faith that states even if you say its nonsense you have to believe that it is the case. Nonsense.

          •  I agree with that entirely. (0+ / 0-)

            Hell I don't think my agnosticism makes me a bad person and I know countless atheists who do much good. Even within religious organizations, I find the do-gooders to be less focused on the religion itself and more focused on its mission in the world.

            I do feel that all too often, religious people are treated as though they were a monolithic group. In most cases they are not. Religions are gigantic organizations. There are billions of Moslems or Catholics in the world. They are not all looking at their religious affiliation in the same way. Many of the members of these religions may be doing evil in the world - the Catholic Church's stand on women's rights or LGBT rights is appalling. So is the cover-up of pedophile priests. But there are professed Catholics who are feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. The same kind of thing is true for Moslems. It is too easy to condemn every adherent of a religious organization.

            Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

            by OIL GUY on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 05:16:24 PM PDT

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        •  Is not beiving in fairies... (0+ / 0-)

          also a faith?  What about not believing that Star Wars is a true story?

    •  Curiously (0+ / 0-)

      The notion that atheism is "a faith" (singular since we all agree with each other) seems to start and end with the notion that we're equally fallible to the traditionally religious.

      It doesn't extend to the suggestion that atheism should be given respect as a philosophical tradition and probably shouldn't be discussed unless you're fluent in the key ideas, developments, and debates which is a complaint commonly raised regarding attempts to analyze theistic religion.

      Nor does it extend to the suggestion that our celebrants and interfaith workers are a part of interfaith work. Or that we shouldn't be discriminated against in the military, BSA, or other organizations. Or that we shouldn't be openly insulted on the house floor as part of political debate in the United States.

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