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  •  350.org did a great job keeping KXL fate in limbo (30+ / 0-)

    for this long given all of the forces arrayed on the other side.   1/5 of Senate Dems are demanding it go forward, and polling data usually runs > 60% for approval.  Granted, the public minority is more passionate than the majority is on this issue, but it's clearly an uphill battle.

    Since labor hasn't gotten much else from this WH, its (sadly mistaken) support for KXL doesn't help, either.  Nor does the fact that the Very Serious People generally don't understand what the fuss is all about.

    I've long felt that presidential approval is a question of when, not whether.  If I am correct, I will be curious to see what kind of civil disobedience campaign arises.  It's always handy to have NSA eavesdropping data available under such circumstances.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 10:19:09 AM PDT

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    •  Has there ever been a CD campaign of 100K arrests? (2+ / 0-)
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      If it's approved the response will be huge and could result in the radicalization of a generation.  

    •  What is the evidence that the oil companies (0+ / 0-)

      will produce less tar sands oil because this one specific pipeline is not built?

      If you want to stop using tar sands oil, then simply advocate for the Govt spending $100B or more each year in renewable energy. We don't need any taxes to pay for it, thats not how federal spending works so we don't have to sell a tax increase to the american people. We can simply just spend the money and let the people enjoy the benefits of all that extra deficit spending and a cleaner planet for the future.

      Whats the negative? How come not every single Kossack is pushing for something like this? No emissions in 10 years, where's the downside?

      "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

      by Auburn Parks on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:03:58 PM PDT

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      •  KXL will equal total U.S. 2013 carbon output (1+ / 0-)
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        See the excellent analysis by the Carbon Tracker Initiative at carbontracker.org/kxl on how the economics of a pipeline will increase production of Tar Sands Oil, versus other modes of transport:

        "KXL enabled production will produce lifecycle emissions of around 5 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide through to 2050. This output from a single pipeline is equivalent to the total carbon pollution from the whole of the United States in 2013."

        The train is running full speed toward the cliff of climate catastrophe.  Let's at least stop stoking the engine.

        •  Damning statistic. Thanks suek, and (0+ / 0-)

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          It will never happen for the first time until it does.

          by catilinus on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:36:25 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the reference. I will check it out. (0+ / 0-)

          Rejecting or approving the KXL will not be definitive in any attempt to halt carbon emissions. The only way we will ever get to 100% renewable in time will be through massive public govt investment. And as long as progressives think the US must get dollars from China and the wealthy and as long as conservatives wont allow tax increases.....then nothing significant will get done until its too late.

          "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

          by Auburn Parks on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 01:08:22 PM PDT

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