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    Actually, the biggest job creation since the beginning of the Great Recession has been in the North Dakota energy industry and related industries such as transport and oilfield services.

    Average wages 2012 - $70,000
    http://www.willistonherald.com/...

    North Dakota has consistently had the lowest unemployment in the nation. Granted, the cost of living is outrageous - as is always the case in boomtowns. And the waste - particularly the flaring of natural gas - has been egregious.

    But it's big-big money. For the oil industry, for railroads, for politicians, for the kid driving the rig, and for the cocktail waitress at the Highway 85 Saloon.

    •  There is enough wasted energy in our sewage (2+ / 0-)
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      johnnygunn, Creosote

      to replace more than 10% of all our fossil fuel use and we have the technology to turn that sewage into advanced biofuels and electricity while creating hundreds of thousands of good permanent living wage jobs.

      The ammonia in urine and the methane produced by anaerobic decay of cellulose can be use to grow algae that can be pressed into an oil that can be used directly as biodiesel and/or reformed into a bio-gasoline product. The byproducts of this process are clean water and organic fertilizer.  

      I don't want to diminish the Bakken oil boom in North Dakota but it's not at all sustainable or environmentally/economically sound. The jobs will go away very quickly and the profits will leave the communities to enrich the already very wealthy. The future of these Bakken fields is rather bleak. Sustainable green energy systems would be far better for these communities and won't leave piles of toxic waste along the way. There is really no comparison.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:06:31 PM PDT

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      North Dakota has consistently had the lowest unemployment in the nation. Granted, the cost of living is outrageous - as is always the case in boomtowns. And the waste - particularly the flaring of natural gas - has been egregious.

      But it's big-big money. For the oil industry, for railroads, for politicians, for the kid driving the rig, and for the cocktail waitress at the Highway 85 Saloon.

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      That is really nice for North Dakota.  They will reap the benefits, but everyone else will pay for the  long term consequences.  

      How about a cost benefit and risk analysis?   How much short turn gain for North Dakota versus the long term costs  and risks  of climate change?

      It reminds me of relatives who refused to pay the cost of flood insurance and when the flood came, looked to others to bail them out.   As I see it, some  are willing to pick short term gains over long term disasters.  It is no different than eating the seed corn now  and ignoring what to plant when planting time comes.

      Seeking immediate gains while ignoring potential  long tem risks and costs  is the way to disaster.  The pipeline is not a good investment.  The immediate gains in no way compensate for the long term costs.  

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