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  •  This was the Libertarian Party platform, (3+ / 0-)

    not David Koch's document.

    The notion that Libertarians are NOT anarchists is wishful thinking.

    •  There's no such thing as anarchism, really (11+ / 0-)

      Power doesn't cease to exist simply because government does, so if you claim to believe in anarchy, either you're a utopian collectivist who believes that all problems will be taken care of through harmonious cooperation, or you're a wannabe feudal warlord or plan to serve in the army of one.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 05:04:07 PM PDT

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      •  It depends what you mean by government. (1+ / 0-)
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        It needn't be centralized in the way it is now, and it seems to me lacking in imagination to rule out the possibility of allocating resources to it in other ways.

        Your use of the term "utopian" seems pejorative to me. However, recall the meaning of utopia: a place that doesn't exist. Every stage of human history has been that at some other point. I'd also point out that if it isn't thought of and thought about, nothing like it will ever exist.

        •  Exactly right (0+ / 0-)

          Most people commenting on their notions of "anarchism" are completely ignorant on the topic.

          "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

          by ZhenRen on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19:11 PM PDT

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        •  If "utopian" seems pejorative to you (0+ / 0-)

          -- and it's not meant to be -- then substitute "idyllic." The point being, if you think we can live without government, then either you're counting on everyone getting along without coercion from any quarter, or you're counting on being able to apply that coercion yourself as needed.

          "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

          by Geenius at Wrok on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 05:59:39 PM PDT

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          •  You need to read up on the topic (0+ / 0-)

            before assuming you have knowledge of it. Anarchism rejects central state authority, but replaces it with a different form of community and worker self-management.

            It is highly organized social structure based on participatory communities using direct democracy. The basic units of this structure are the local communities and worker councils, which federate on local, regional, and international scale.

            Rather than a vertical, top-down authoritarian system, it is bottom-up and horizontal.

            There is a rich body of literature available on this topic. It takes a bit of orientation to grasp this, since most people lack any education in anything except statist socialism capitalism.

            Anarchism is a different form of anti-capitalism.

            "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

            by ZhenRen on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 12:54:00 AM PDT

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