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  •  his argument - a common and foolish one - (1+ / 0-)
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    Superpole

    is the basic "look - people have cell phones, so they're richer" and "look - people have TVs, so they're richer" and so on.

    He ignores a number of different ways of measuring prosperity, and he - very conveniently - ignores the fact that many people don't have access to those particular items.

    •  But most people do (2+ / 0-)
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      And the people who don't today have access wouldn't have had it in the past either.

      Given massive recent global improvements in living standards it is hard to argue that large numbers of people have been injured by capitalism or are worse off than they would have been without it.

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      by Sparhawk on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 08:38:42 PM PDT

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      •  Not really. (2+ / 0-)
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        lucid, Superpole

        We could eliminate world hunger in a couple of years -- just remove the capitalist control over food.  Most of those who are hungry are so because they can't afford food.

        "Assume man to be man and his relationship to the world to be a human one: then you can exchange love only for love, trust for trust" -- Karl Marx

        by Cassiodorus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:20:12 PM PDT

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      •  really? (0+ / 0-)

        It's actually not hard to argue at all. Try drinking the water in West Virginia these days. Or are you already full from having drunk the kool-aid?

        What about the massive numbers of people who have been injured, poisoned, and killed as a result of "third world" mass production methods (both overseas and in the US)?

        And if your argument is that "poor people today would have been poor in the absence of capitalism" well, that's not much of an argument for "global improvement in living standards."

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