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  •  Is your friend a friend of rancher Bundy? (0+ / 0-)

    What makes him think he has the right to drive without a license and then flee the police?

    •  Again with this crap? (4+ / 0-)

      The car did not need to be riddled with bullets because a man was driving on a suspended license and is mortally afraid of folks that kill us and get a medal for it.

      No star is lost once we have seen, We always may be what we might have been. ~ Adelaide Proctor

      by mikejay611 on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 08:56:23 PM PDT

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      •  He should just be allowed to drive away? (0+ / 0-)

        That will only embolden him and others to continue driving on suspended licenses.

        •  Yeah, so take down the license (7+ / 0-)

          and issue a warrant to appear.

          Fleeing when driving on a suspended license may not have been smart or the "good citizen" thing to do. But the punishment should not be getting shot.

          Overkill - though in this case, fortunately "kill" did not apply.

          Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

          by ramara on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:09:39 PM PDT

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          •  "Warrant to appear" (0+ / 0-)

            What happens when he doesn't show up to court?

            •  Same thing that happens (0+ / 0-)

              to everyone else who doesn't show up in court - an arrest warrant goes out.

              Shooting is not good policing.

              Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

              by ramara on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 05:44:47 AM PDT

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        •  Did you ever consider where (11+ / 0-)

          ...the rounds that missed the car stopped?  It's a COMMUNITY.  You don't empty your clip in a residential area.

          Using deadly force to enforce a minor infraction is ridiculous.  My friend deserved a weekend in jail, not a month in the hospital and a year of rehab.

          Do you feel entitled to run down pedestrians who jaywalk?  That's what you are asking the police to do here.

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          by RepackRider on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:16:14 PM PDT

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          •  I have a question (0+ / 0-)

            When someone follows the link you provide, they get the name of your friend; if they follow up by Googling that name, one can find that your friend is nothing more than a violent thug with a record going back more than a decade, who has been spent time in jail for robbery and assault, had several other arrests for violent activities including robberies, and in fact, did exactly the same thing you describe back in 2010 - stopped for driving while license suspended and took off; he wasn't shot, but he led police on a high speed chase through Marin City endangering who knows how many innocent others, and stopped only when he crashed into a tree.

            So here's my question: what the hell is this guy doing on the street when so many others are sitting in jail cells for completely non-violent actions?

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 04:09:51 AM PDT

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            •  I understand your concern, but isn't this the (4+ / 0-)

              same kind of blame the victim mentality that is used in rape cases? "She has a history of arrests for solicitation and prostitution." "She has a history of sleeping around - look, she's got three kids from three different men, none of whom she was married to." "She was wearing ridiculously skimpy clothes." Seriously, how does one's past behavior justify a violent response like rape, or in this case shooting? The only "justification" I see is a completely bogus one involving the perpetrators making a moral decision that the victim "deserved it" based not on the circumstances at the time of the shooting, but on past incidents.

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              by marleycat on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 06:18:29 AM PDT

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              •  Not what I said (1+ / 0-)
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                This guy has serious violent felony arrests and convictions stretching back more than a decade, some of them preying on other residents of Marin City.  Why is he not incarcerated when so many thousands of people are doing long incarcerations for non-violent crimes?

                Beyond that, as concerns the case in this diary, he has a history of violence against police including an armed standoff with police after a robbery where he and 2 others set up two victims to whom they offered a ride, so it is almost certain that the deputy in this case knew him, knew of his history, and was on very heightened alert when he approached the vehicle.  If you followed the link, you read that at one point he was out of the vehicle, then reached back in the vehicle and refused to show his hands to the cop, then jumped in the vehicle and sped off.  Virtually everything he did had the effect of putting the cop into survival mode.

                For everybody's sake, I am glad that he is still alive, but I certainly wish he were a guest of the California Department of Corrections, and I'd be willing to bet that most other residents of Marin City feel the same way.

                I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                by Wayward Wind on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 06:31:09 AM PDT

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                •  And none of this was known (1+ / 0-)
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                  by the police at the time, and if it was is STILL no reason to shoot at an unarmed person... Which part of that don't you understand? You know all this shit because you looked it up. Did the police have the same opportunity? Stop justifying shooting Black folks first, and asking questions later, because that's what you're doing. For every person that has his record I can give you 5 that are dead in my hometown for nothing more than being Black in my neighborhood.

                  No star is lost once we have seen, We always may be what we might have been. ~ Adelaide Proctor

                  by mikejay611 on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 09:23:31 AM PDT

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                  •  Read the second paragraph again (0+ / 0-)

                    The cop approached the car because the driver was driving while his license was suspended, which the cop could only have known if he had known the driver.  

                    Marin City is a small place, and Grayson had had enough run-ins with law enforcement, including at least a couple of violent ones, that it was certain that the cop knew who he was, and of the history. Then, whether he intended to or not, everything Grayson did guaranteed that the cop went on high alert.

                    Now read the post again and tell me where it was that I said that there was reason to shoot Grayson?  I didn't, because I don't know that.  I wasn't there, and neither were you, so neither one of us knows exactly what happened there that day.

                    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                    by Wayward Wind on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 04:25:55 PM PDT

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                    •  And I submit that (0+ / 0-)

                      by saying you don't know if there was a "reason" to fire is tacit consent for the cop to do so. You read the second paragraph, as well as the entire diary and show me where any actions by this man required the police firing his weapon. There was no reason to shoot, and playing semantics is not a good look... It's how white folks justify shooting black folks...

                      No star is lost once we have seen, We always may be what we might have been. ~ Adelaide Proctor

                      by mikejay611 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 05:18:28 AM PDT

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