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  •  I'm reasonably well educated (0+ / 0-)

    And an atheist, and I still think the big bang makes no sense whatsoever.

    I'm not saying it's wrong.  I'm saying it's absolutely crazy.

    Which is to say that it's so illogical that its only defense is that it just might be right.  So in this case, I think it's actually fairly reasonable to disbelieve it.

    There's a lot about science denialism that pisses me off, but not this.

    •  What is crazy and illogical about it? (4+ / 0-)

      We can actually see the background radiation that is reaching us from the event itself.

      The math predicts everything right down to the trillionth of a second (IIRC) after the initiation of the expansion.

      •  Well let's see (0+ / 0-)

        ...A whole lot of everything coming from something like nothing, or a very compact mass, given what we know about the compressability of matter, and supposed laws about the conservation of energy...either way, its contrary to otherwise observable physical phenomena outside of very advanced physics.

        Second, in your own response, the implication that the universe expanded faster than the speed of light, given that C is otherwise treated as the fastest speed possible in physics.  If the universe didn't expand faster than the speed of light, that 'background radiation' wouldn't just now be reaching us.

        What I mean by it's crazy is that it defies the sort of easily graspable innate logic of the human mind, which is largely rooted in the clear cause and effect of the Newtonian world.  You have to go well beyond that to make the big bang work.

        Again, I'm not saying it's wrong...I'm saying that it defies simple logic.

        I'm at work, so I'll leave it at that.

      •  It's the math. (4+ / 0-)

        First, the notation systems are impenetrable. Even if an amateur can find a technical explanation, this is hopeless.

        Second, who has met a universe-containing singularity ??? Or can come to grips with the ekpyrotic model(s) ?

        In truth, I trust the physicists. They have the intellectual tools to match these problems.

        This universe had to come from something. And the physicists believe that it came all at once, at one time.

        If I don't believe the physicists, then who should I believe ???

        Believing in my own ignorance is no solution to this problem. While I do not quite trust the Big Bang theory, many of the physicists offer it as the best that they have for us today. That's good.

        I'll take "good."

        "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Ryan Paul von Koch

        by waterstreet2013 on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 04:39:58 PM PDT

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