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  •  Curiously, I have heard many religionists (0+ / 0-)

    use the Big Bang Theory as an argument for believing in a God.

    They argue "Since you don't know what came before the big bang, it must have been (my) god doing it."

    The argument of ultimate reductionism, just as it is also applied to creationism and fossil intermediates (see God of the Gaps) basically says- If you don't have an explanation for what went before (or between) it must have been god.  

    Happily to take such a position, one doesn't have to answer, "Well what was before god? Who created the creator?"  To that the answer is "god always was." A non-answer.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 04:38:15 PM PDT

    •  We can deal with those people (2+ / 0-)
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      There are plenty of decent and well-meaning people who seem to believe in a "God of the gaps".  Whatever science can't explain, God did that, but otherwise they live in the modern world.  We can live with that, and what's left for their God to do will tend to shrink over time.

      On the other hand, I don't know what to do with the people who say that the world is 6,000 years old, that global warming is impossible because some reading of the Bible says it can't happen, that if the schools are ordered to pretend homosexuality doesn't exist their kids will turn out straight and Republican.

    •  It's funny how they... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...never deal with the resultant question, what then created God? If God doesn't need anything before it to have created it, then why does the universe need a definitive startpoint.

      •  They've been clinging to Aristotle's Unmoved Mover (1+ / 0-)
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        idea since at least Aquinas. And, between you and I (and the rest of the Internet), I don't think they've ever quite gotten over Earth not being at the center of the universe. Carl Sagan once spoke of "our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe," and how the cosmos as revealed by science basically blows all of that out of the water.

        Some people have taken the shattering of that antiquated worldview harder than others.

        "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books! The best weapons in the world! This room is the greatest arsenal we could have—arm yourselves!" -The Doctor

        by quillsinister on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 10:07:22 PM PDT

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