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  •  No such thing as climate safety? (0+ / 0-)

    In case people think there is no such thing as “climate safety” at this point, let’s recall that we still have a  chance of starting a carbon pollution rollback. Anything we do now is a plus; something we do now might have bigger impact than we can guess. But we’d better not stand still, give up, or stick our heads in the sand. To keep the change momentum up, we need a good viral frame. I hope this one is it. If you can do better, bring it on!

    •  Beware of Making Promises (1+ / 0-)
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      Promising "climate safety" means that those who make that promise are considered responsible if/when climate safety is not met.  The same way that people in support of doing something about atmospheric carbon can blame weather disasters, rightly or wrongly, on climate change, climate change skeptics and deniers will be able to blame weather disasters, rightly or wrongly, on the efforts to produce "climate safety."  

      My own tagline is Solar IS Civil Defense because I want to avoid the head-butting and theological debate we have been stuck in for nearly 30 years:  climate change yes! climate change no!  I'd like a "no regrets" policy where the ancillary benefits of climate change actions make sense (and save money) whether you believe anthropogenic climate change is happening or  not.  I tend to operate on the basis of this quote from the poet Lew Welch:  

      We remain alert so as not to get run down, but it turns out you only have to hop a few feet to one side and the whole huge machinery rolls by, not seeing you at all.
      Solar IS Civil Defense is something that even the most rabid right-wing doomsday prepper can get behind because solar works whether or not the grid is there and any prepper recognizes that the grid will not be there reliably in emergency or disaster.

      Another "no regrets" policy is cleaner cookstoves in the developing world which remove black carbon, a short-lived climate forcer, while improving the health of women and children as well as reducing the number of hours they have to spend gathering cooking fuel, reducing deforestation, and even improving local crop yields by getting rid of black carbon pollution.  

       I wonder if you've spoken with Robert Cialdini of Arizona State University whose work on influence is important and which he's been applying to energy efficiency through the company Opower.  I approached him a couple of years ago about using his techniques on the climate change conversation and he was interested but I have yet to recontact him.

      If you'd like to follow-up on some of these ideas, you can message me through dkos or find my email on my profile page.

      •  Re Solar IS Civil Defense (1+ / 0-)
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        Gmoke, thanks for this very interesting comment. I think you have come up with some very useful ideas and info, especially for a red state audience. I will be following up in the future with you, but too much on the plate right now. In the context of your comment, I just noticed this a.m. a DKos report that major U.S. oil/gas producers are now backing off the shale gas rush here; apparently, it has not produced a cost effective result for them. Big changes coming I think.  

        •  Is this the one you mean? (3+ / 0-)
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          I just noticed this a.m. a DKos report that major U.S. oil/gas producers are now backing off the shale gas rush here; apparently, it has not produced a cost effective result for them.  
 Yeah, "fracking" for shale gas doesn't pay too well right now.  The fracking process is expensive and the wells don't produce for very long before they need to be re-fracked.  The price of gas needs to get a lot higher to make it worthwhile.  Watch for natural gas prices to thrash up and down a lot in the next few years.  

          Of course, the varying price of gas is a point in favor of renewables, which have a predictable price for years to come.  Even if the average price of electricity from natgas is somewhat less than the price of electricity from solar or wind, the steadiness of the renewables' price will make business people want to buy renewable.  

          "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

          by Calamity Jean on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 03:59:06 AM PDT

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