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  •  And what about "big government" (none)
    programs like social security, which keep large swaths of our population from poverty?

    In one of the comments above, someone cited a statistic to the effect of some Midwestern states receiving a grossly disproportionate return for what they contribute to the federal government.  How does this mesh with the libertarian ideal?  Certainly, liberalism can and does embrace notions of self-determination and self-sufficiency.  However, liberalism also embraces the values of an even playing field and a safety net for those who need it.  The Democratic party can not be the party of wholescale libertarianism.

    I've made it very clear, he was not involved, that there's no truth to the suggestion that he was.-McClellan, 2003

    by GN1927 on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 09:08:58 AM PDT

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    •  Social security... (none)
      is actually a fairly small government program, in terms of administration.

      That's not just splitting hairs.  But there's no reason to be logical.

      Three big government programs that are horribly inefficient, but very popular in the west:

      1. Water storage.
      2. Agricultural subsidies.
      3. Military procurement.

      If I owned both Hell and Texas I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell. W.T. Sherman

      by Ralph on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 09:23:58 AM PDT

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