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  •  I hate to bring up Biden (4.00)
    and make everyone cringe, but I recall a few days ago where Chris Matthews (?) asked Biden if he wished the Dems had a guy like Rove. Biden grinned and said yes.

    Well, the fact is I think just maybe we have in Dean a guy as canny and shrewd as Rove except (a) he works for the good guys and (b) isn't a lying, traitorous fat pig piece of s#!t

    Attack their strength: go to places like Idaho, Utah and Montana and chip away. It's not like the Ohio-Florida strategy worked last time!

    The other thing I think the Democrats need to do out West is effectively address illegal immigration. Matthews hit the nail on the head when he said the reason no one wants to address illegal immigration is because the Republicans want the cheap labor and the Democrats think they'll become Democratic voters. I don't know why the Democrats can't hammer this point on why the GOP won't protect the borders because the fatcats get rich off this cheap labor and tie it to the "outsourcing of America" theme. And as an aside, I do wish Democrats would stop running away from the issue and start looking rationally at the problem of illegal immigration. If our party platform honors the rule of law, why do we pussyfoot around the issue when illegal aliens come into the country? It's not racist to clamp down on this! This is a huge opportunity which Democrats fritter away because of the need to feel all PC.

    •  go after the employers (4.00)
      that should be the democratic angle on undocumented workers: take care of the problem at the source.  employers like tyson chicken are bringing people across by the truckload - literally.

      plus we also make sure the employers follow the law when it comes to minimum wage and workplace safety, with no prejudice as to complaints from undocumented workers.

      repeat after me:  if you won't get serious about the employers, you aren't serious about immigration.

      we'd better decide now if we are going to be fearless men or scared boys.
      — e.d. nixon, montgomery improvement association

      by zeke L on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 11:32:46 AM PDT

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      •  couldn't agree more (4.00)
        there is something inherently unethical and sleazy about corporate America's policies of bringing boatloads of illegal aliens across the border so that GOP bankrollers from the boardroom can build an addition on their ski house in Aspen.

        They dump these people on the local counties and states who end up subsidizing their medical care and education costs, while the workers themselves are marginalized and often exploited by their employers. So there is absolutely a way to frame this an ethical, humane and moral light, while still appealing to vast swaths of independent and Republican voters in Western states who bear the costs of our open borders problem.

        Real immigration reform is yet one more way to unite strange political bedfellows. Environmentalists are concerned about land use, over-suburbanization and effects on natural resources like water. So to are conservative Western voters.

        •  Make Corporations Pay Their Fair Share (none)
          This is just one plank in a platform of having corporations pay their fair share. One reason taxes are so high is because government is saddled with paying for what corporations should, but won't. When a corporation doesn't pay a living wage they are not paying their fair share to their. To cover this, we have all manner of governmental programs for the working poor.

          Republicans talk about cutting taxes as if they are too high. If you can't pay your taxes, either the taxes are too high or the wages are too low. Guess what? Taxes are not too high. Wages are too low.

          Every time someone talks about cutting taxes or tax relief that should be a signal to talk about wages, salaries and compensation in general. We should always make this point. If you are struggling to pay taxes, you aren't earning enough money. Only people who are being underpaid have a problem paying their taxes.

          The idea of cutting taxes should always be linked in the voters' minds to how much they deserve to be paid more and how much their company is screwing them.

          Liberal Thinking

          Think, liberally.

          by Liberal Thinking on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 02:53:22 PM PDT

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    •  Yes! YES! (none)
      Jobs are what this country needs and we need to get our manufacturing base back up.  The Democrats need to show how the leisure, hotel jobs created in the last two years are low wage jobs that the immigrants fill and the high wage, advanced shooling jobs aren't being created. Immigration should be part of a discussion on job creation.

      Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire

      by hairspray on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 12:33:40 PM PDT

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    •  immigration (none)
      LOL cutting off the flow of illegal aliens does not constitute honoring the rule of law. anyway, what happened to ellis island? give us your weak your poor your huddled masses.

      China Land Area: 9,326,410 sq km  POP 1.3 Billion
      US      Land Area: 9,161,923 sq km  POP 0.3 Billion

      this country is practically empty.

      the republicans aren't the only ones who know illegal immagration is essential to short and long term economic strength. the democrats aren't stupid. but anyone who proposes cutting off illegal immigration is. we have a patchwork partially enforced border just to keep the flow at manageable levels.

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