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  •  what then, (none)
    would have been a win? Bush and his entire administration to resign en masse and check themselves into prison? (personal fantasy of mine)

    This was never going to be a clear win. We've got to build into our plan a Bush nominee being confirmed, but still not derailing victory in 2006 & 2008. If your plan is to not let Bush appoint anyone, then I don't see that as reasonable.

    But I'm seriously curious to hear you describe what a "win" would have looked like.

    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

    by SeanF on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 08:19:10 AM PDT

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    •  There was no possibility of winning (4.00)
      Every possibility, including this one, would have been a loss.  We had no choice but to lose, and this choice, cast as a win, is delusional thinking.  Mark my words, Roberts is a disaster for us.

      First things first, but not necessarily in that order.

      by DCDemocrat on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 08:23:12 AM PDT

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      •  Someone like Gonsalez was definitely a possibility (none)
        THat would have been a win.
      •  i like the front page comment (none)
        that indicates you use it to your advantage for future battles. Use it as a way to define your party and create a positive identity that resonates. Look at the actual nomination battle as a strategic retreat that sets you up for the near future in a larger war, and then it doesn't seem so horrible.

        I understand your point that the raw impact of how Roberts may influence the court is not a victory, and could be quite horrible. But that doesn't mean that we can't make the most of it.

        All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

        by SeanF on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 09:42:19 AM PDT

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    •  Wrong to call this a win, but (none)
      there is no way we were going to get a win at the point of Bush's nominating someone.

      If he nominated a crazy and we were able to beat him/her, that would be a win.

      If we are able to get Roberts to declare himself relatively clearly, via the Ackerman test, as to where he stands vis-a-vis some of Scalia's and Thomas' wilder opinions/positions, that would at least be a meaningful consolation prize in the level of public awareness and media coverage of how extreme S & T are; it's not a win, but it may be a base for future wins.

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