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  •  um (none)
    Do you have a mortgage?  Children?  Law school loans?

    ACLU staff attorneys earn around $35-40K a year, IIRC.

    "Any content-based regulation of the Internet, no matter how benign the purpose, could burn the global village to roast the pig." -- ACLU v Reno (E.D. Pa. 1996)

    by Adam B on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 08:24:47 AM PDT

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    •  umm (3.00)
      yes I have a mortage, but instead of buying the biggest house I could, I found one needing some TLC, and I redid it. I started a company that make safety equipment for nursing homes to hopefully save some people from tragic accidents. I try to help and make a few dollars doing it.

       I don't sell my knowledge, my time, my intellect to the highest bidder. Women sell the bodies and they are whores, lawyers sell their minds and times and they are what? future Supreme Court Justices. pfft  count me unimpressed

    •  um (4.00)
      Mortgage?  Check.

      Children?  Check.

      Loans (not law school, but similar)?  Check.

      Am I a corporate shill?  Nope.  I make around 40K a year doing work to further humanity, when I could be making 2x to 3x more as a corporate apologist.

      I'm not saying it's evil to be a corporate lawyer (or a corporate scientist), but it is a morals choice and does say something about the person making the choice.  You can subsist nicely (even with kids and loans) on 40K a year.

      "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." George Bernard Shaw

      by Shygetz on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 08:51:36 AM PDT

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    •  You Make Choices, You Live With Them (4.00)
      I have bills, a mortgage, children. My wife and I each earn salaries closer to those ACLU staff attorneys than corporate lawyers.

      But more to the point, a lot of lawyer friends of mine have made similar choices. My sister-in-law and her husband are both lawyers in the Bay Area, with a mortgage and a kid on the way (and hard to find anywhere where those things are more expensive). They've both chosen not to do the corporate lawyer thing.  He's a public defender. She works for a small college (in what is basically a non-lawyer job that pays ACLU-ish salaries).

      Sorry, acbonin. It's perfectly understandable to choose a career to make more money, but you need to own up to the moral consequences of whatever choices you've made.  Nobody has to represent pharmaceutical companies in court. You've chosen to do so.  Perhaps you feel that there simply isn't an ethical or political downside to doing so. If that's the case, you can make your argument to that effect.  But simply saying "I gotta do it, there are bills to pay" doesn't fly.  My guess is that many, many Kossacks pay their bills without having to spend their time defending corporate America, let alone the pharmaceutical industry.

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      by GreenSooner on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 09:15:28 AM PDT

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      •  Thurgood Marshall (none)
        is certainly an example of a lawyer who worked for social change organizations and went on to a distinguished career on the Supreme Court.

        There haven't been many nominees with THAT kind of background lately though.

        More's the pity.

        Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

        by willyr on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 09:30:41 AM PDT

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        •  I like this resume (none)
          • Cornell undergrad, Harvard/Columbia Law.
          • Law clerk to a federal district court judge
          • Research associate and then associate director of the Columbia Law School Project on International Procedure.
          • Professor of Law at Rutgers University School of Law and Columbia Law School
          • Instrumental in launching the Women's Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union, and served as the ACLU's General Counsel for eight years, successfully arguing several women's rights cases before the Supreme Court
          • DC Circuit Court Judge

          And now, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is on the Supreme Court.

          "Any content-based regulation of the Internet, no matter how benign the purpose, could burn the global village to roast the pig." -- ACLU v Reno (E.D. Pa. 1996)

          by Adam B on Wed Jul 20, 2005 at 09:41:55 AM PDT

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