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  •  Miers on the board of Exodus Ministries? (none)
    Sorry, Harriet, but you just can't "cure" the way I was born.

    And guess what? The overwhelming majority of psychiatrists, researchers, and scientists agree on that. I can no more change the fact that I am gay than the fact that I am left-handed. And in point of fact, the two phenomena are related: gay men are 40% more likely to be left-handed than heterosexual men. Sure, you can change the "behavior," and switch someone over in a superficial sense. But just because someone is trained to write with their right hand doesn't mean they aren't still left-handed (and always will be).

    It's the same way with sexual orientation (at least in males): put crudely, someone like me could sleep with a woman so long as I pretend I am sleeping with a man. What turns me on, what animates my sexual imagination, can't and won't and will never change. With both handedness and homosexuality, the orientation appears to be fixed and immutable by the age of two. (Scientists call this a stable bimorphism. The intriguing comparison between handedness and homosexuality is most eloquently described by Chandler Burr in his classic 1996 book, A Separate Creation, which was published by a Disney subsidiary and prompted a boycott.)

    While we can draw no absolute scientific conclusions, we know from many other examples of similar bimorphisms that both handedness and sexual orientation are determined either at conception (in both handedness and gay male sexuality, there is a "maternal effect" implying X-chromosome linkage) or prenatally, possibly by an interaction of genetic and environmental (hormonal) influences in the womb. For obvious reasons, research in this area is not something which the Bush Administration cares to fund.

    Harriet Miers, you are clearly on the same page with the President: no doubt you will profess that science and evolution and "intelligent design" have no basis in deciding points of law, and no doubt Democrats will applaud you for that. But you are seriously misguided in your crusade to dictate faith over fact. You have helped make a lot of people's lives TOTAL HELL!

    To all you Democrats out there wondering why gays and lesbians are hijacking the dialogue by bringing up Exodus Ministries, think about what some of us have experienced with these faith-based "cures." We know from long experience that you can't negotiate with ideologues like Harriet Miers. You don't give them the "benefit of the doubt." Exodus Ministries is a VERY big red flag: don't say we didn't warn you!

    "[I]n all due respect to your profession [journalism], you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." -- Bush on Oct 7, 2003

    by QuickSilver on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 09:55:59 AM PDT

    •  Apparently (none)
      The Exodus ministries she was on the board of did ex-convict rehabilitation work in Texas. It is not, according to other comments I've read in other threads, the anti-gay hate group.
    •  Note... (none)
      Exodus Ministries is different than Exodus nternational. EM is not quite as acary as EI is. So it appears to be a good thing.
    •  Here's the relevant thread (none)
      I don't think it's that Exodus Ministries.

      We can all breathe a little easier now. Phew!
    •  Wrong Exodus Ministries... (none)
      There is another one, which counsels ex-cons during the parole process. That's the one she was involved with. It would make things easier if she was involved with the other one because there would be a wellspring of outrage we could tap. But let's keep our facts straight. There is enough about this nomination to be concerned about.

      Corruption is the problem. Throw the bums out, no DeLay!

      by MamasGun on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 10:42:36 AM PDT

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    •  Bush and his ilk would be likely to fund... (none)
      research in bimorphism, as long as the ultimate product would be something along the lines of test that could be administered that would point up the increased likelyhood of indicators that offspring of a union would favor homosexuality.

      No need for embryonic research...this would be accomplished using Mendelian observation over decades...QED...

      In short, this would mitigate the "ambient" nature of homosexuality in the bud. Fewer homosexuals if the indicators for likelyhood were catalogued and known, prior to fertilization.

      Would people practice this sort of genetic determinism in real life?

      Unlikely.

      People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

      by rgilly on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 11:10:19 AM PDT

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      •  How embarrassing.. (none)
        ..to write that above comment! I wrote too quickly, and didn't check it out enough before posting my screed.

        But honest to God, the idea that Harriet Miers was affiliated with that ex-gay nightmare group.. Well, for me that was like 9/11 and FMA rolled into one. For those who are lucky to have forgotten about it, Bush announced the Federal Marriage Amendment last year on February 24. Take it on faith that it was a bad day for me (but also a weird, calming, out-of-body, radicalizing experience as well..but that's another blog.)

        So I'm laughing at myself for two reasons. First: my post was so personally revealing. I called a friend and shrieked, "I played the born-that-way card on Daily Kos!" He knew exactly what I was talking about.

        Second, I'm laughing because the essentialist argument (if I can call it that) is agonizingly simplistic when it comes to real human love, and doesn't begin to apply universally. Yes, I'm a gay man. But I have loved women, and for that and several other reasons, I don't have an absolutist opinion against married gay men. I also think there are probably different gay 'modalities', and in any case, from what I know from friends who work in this area of research, there are different mechanisms suspected of determining sexual orientation in women than men. Thoug I believe I was born gay, I'm smart and honest enough not to completely buy the bimorphism argument.

        It's funny, I told myself I would refrain from writing much about gay issues on dKos ... I guess Harriet outed me here. You go, girl...

        "[I]n all due respect to your profession [journalism], you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." -- Bush on Oct 7, 2003

        by QuickSilver on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 12:27:37 PM PDT

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    •  Extremely informative, thoughtful (none)
      As a gay man myself, I thank you for this treasure trove of information you have given.  Most of us gay people will testify that we have known we were "different" from a very early age, that it was not something we "chose", and that we cannot change from being gay to heterosexual no matter how hard we try or pray!!  Sorry, Jerry Falwell, but God can do a lot of things, but He changing gay people into straight ones does not seem to be at the top of His priorities.

      So, the fact that this woman will probably rule on Lawrence vs. Texas and can overturn this landmark gay rights case is extremely disturbing.  What we have here is a Bush loyalist anc crony, a stealth candidate in the mold of Roberts but who is known to be an active member in a wingnut fundamentalist church.  This does not bode well for gays or women, or progressive Americans of any sort.

      •  you're welcome ;-) (none)
        I'm glad what I wrote was helpful. In fact, the book by Chandler Burr, referenced above, spells out this particular argument much more eloquently than I can.  (To my surprise, it gave my mother a great deal of comfort to read the introduction to that book, which she stumbled onto years after I came out to her. Though Mom is quite comfortable with my being gay, there was still a residual sense of guilt or responsibility. This argument put that to rest.)

        I would have risen to the challenge, but I'm really tired of being gay-baited, and actually relieved that there are plenty of other reasons to oppose Harriet Miers.

        "[I]n all due respect to your profession [journalism], you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." -- Bush on Oct 7, 2003

        by QuickSilver on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 05:03:25 PM PDT

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