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  •  Lieberman is a Bush suck-up . . . (none)
    . . . and a total disaster for the Democratic party.  John Murtha puts forward a serious proposal to extricate the US from the Iraq quagmire, and GOP Joe jumps right in to the aid of his crony Bush.

    What is wrong with Lieberman?  Is he really this deluded, or does Bush have some secret hold on him?  Lieberman is well on the way to joining Zell Miller in total lunacy, he is quite the Bush loving fool.

    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Lieberman- all disasters for the US and the world.

    •  To be fair (none)
      He needs to lean right to win in a red state like Connecticut.

      Oh wait....

      •  Two items point to no mandate to justify presence: (none)
        1. The current leader of Iraq justified retaliation against troops, proof that a majority want us gone. Democracy is rule by majority. bush wants Democracy in Oilraq, Democracy told us to leave.

        2. The Constitutionally mandated approval vote had disparate turnout in comparison to polls and attendance monitors. We've created a sham front for a Government, and cannot get it right because the sham told us to scram.

        The same thing people in Conn need to tell JoeLie!

        They closed enough bases down there yet for people to get the hint, or are they holding that over his head just like they used base closures to renew tax cuts and defense appropriations that lacked oversight...

        JoeLie singing the same tune.

        •  don't forget (none)
          Lieberman is an Orthodox Jew (who are generally very anti-arab and palestinian) and an AIPAC whore.  This war was fought for O.I.L. (Oil Industry, Israel, Logistics of Military - Military Industrial Complex).  

          He's not Connecticut's Senator, he's Ariel Sharon's.

          When can we run a fucking primary against this douche-bag?  I'd rather have a Moderate Republican than a Rightwing religious conservative who's alleigance is to other nations.

          •  Generalize much (none)
            "Lieberman is an Orthodox Jew (who are generally very anti-arab and palestinian)"

            And blacks smell funny, and all Puerto Ricans are good in a knife fight...women are hysterical...gays are sissies...and so on...

            Generalize much?

            In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

            by Paul in Berkeley on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 10:24:06 AM PST

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            •  But Women ARE hysterical! (none)
            •  i said "generally" (none)
              There are a lot of branches of Judaism.  Orthodox TEND to be very pro-Israel (which is usually NOT pro-equitable peace), view Arabs/Palestinians as primitive and child-like.  Make no mistake that Lieberman is not much different from Fallwell when it comes to zeal.

              And yes, I said "generally".  

              Howcome we can rail against Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians for trying to turn our country into a Theocracy, but we can't call out other religions on their bullshit?  

              And you know, I've met some Fundie and Evangelical Christians who are socially libertarian.  I don't agree with them on some things, but they dont believe in Dobson's politics.

          •  How disgusting (none)
            that you involve Liebermans jewish heritage to say that he is more loyal to Israel than to the US. Revolting. There is not a shred of evidence for that.

            You may or may not agree with Liebermans positions, that's not the issue. But there is no reason to come with statements such as these.

            •  no? (none)
              Why not come with statements like these?  

              It's not his "jewish heritage" but his religious zeal.   IN GENERAL, Orthodox (and everything else to the right in Judaism) believe that Israel and all of Israel is the promised land of the jews ordained by God.  

              Dobson and his religion believe that the US is the holy land of Christians ordained by God.

              I surmise that Lieberman's retarded, delusional support of the Iraq war has much to do with his religious beliefs.  

              And I dont care if you are a Christian, Muslim or Jew, I'll call out religious BS.  More people have been slaughtered in the name of God than for any other reason.  

              Lieberman and his close ties to AIPAC are highly suspect.  

              •  You don't know shit (none)
                The extreme Orthodox Jews are against the idea of a Jewish state because they believe that only the Messiah can bring about a Jewish state.  In 1948, they protested againt Israel's establishment.  They continue to undermine Israeli policy.  Lieberman is a Modern Orthodox Jew, the most liberal wing of Orthodoxy.  Like the American population as a whole, when the Iraq war broke out, Modern Orthodox Jews were split over the war.

                You may want to call out religious BS, but you who needs to be called out for your religious BS.

    •  Bush's blackmail (none)
           He has a drawer full of incriminating photos of Lieberman, Blair, H Clinton with "Jeff Gannon". What else could it be?

      "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others." Groucho Marx

      by irate on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:46:25 AM PST

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    •  What is wrong with Hillary and Warner? (none)

      Support the Troops - Demand the Truth!

      by annefrank on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:46:53 AM PST

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      •  They are imperialist fools? (none)
        Maybe they think that the USA needs to be the "superpower" that rules the world.  Their continued support for the failed Bush Iraq Quagmire is quite puzzling, many used to think that Hillary was "liberal".  She is totally off of my list for 2008, let the New Yorkers have her if they want, her militaristic approach (send MORE troops) is totally wrong and quite supportive to the Bushite scum.
      •  See my post above about women.... (none)
        as for Warner....dunno.
        •  Not all Democrats want a timed exit (none)
          I happen to be one of them.  Somebody who thinks Joementum is an idiot who's just taking it too far, but that Murtha's plan could potentially lead to disaster.  True, I agree that Murtha's plan is better than no plan, but I'd much rather that we actually accomplish something in Iraq rather than letting go of what those Americans died for and continue to die for.  Warner believes, just as I do, that rather than basing our exit on specific dates, we should base them on specific events.  When the Iraqi people's military is strong enough, when the government is in place, etc.  I know that could take a long time, but we can't leave now.  We'd loose what little credibility we have in the middle east, and it becomes a moral victory for the terrorists in Iraq.  
        •  As for Warner (none)
          Warner happens to have a point of  view that differs from John Murtha.  I still believe that's legal, right?  I'm what you may call a "Hawk Democrat" in the fact that I opposed the Murtha plan.  I think we need to build an exit strategy based on progess and events in Iraq, not dates on a calendar.  Sure, have "approximate times" when they're expected, but nothing that could destroy eveything those men died for.
    •  He's actually (none)
      an Israel suck-up. The fact that alot of Bush's foreign policy has been crafted by Republikud's just makes him LOOK like a Bush suck-up.
      •  none (none)
        I fully agree, Lieberman will never support any initiative that threatens the security of Israel. He will support any action taken against a country that is considered to be an enemy of the Israeli cause.

        "The ultimate measure of a person is not where they stand in times of comfort and convenience but where they stand in times of challenge" - MLK

        by rickpolitic on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 09:23:01 AM PST

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