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  •  I am (none)
    pissed that I didn't smell a rat when this story broke ref the 'Red Book' thing(really should have realized that) but also,does Homeland Security have enough agents to cover every college? How much is all this costing?

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 01:48:12 AM PST

    •  ARE there HS agents? (none)
      I've never seen a single Homeland Security Agent.  Have we even hired any?  Do they wear uniforms, or suits, or carry badges?  Are they a catch-all, sounds-good name for police and law-enforcement officers we already employ?  

      I don't think they actually exist.

      •  good question (none)
        Does the budget actually allow for them?

        it tastes like burning...

        by eastvan on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 02:57:21 AM PST

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      •  Yes, huge payroll. (none)
        Look at places like airports and international crossings, around Federal Buildings, etc.

        I'm an old timer DOJ employer and it irks me because I can't give up on the old department names.  Homeland Security is like the WalMartization of federal law enforcement.  Sure, all the little departments before were battling each other over turf but HS is a monstrous bureaucracy and moves like a glacier.  

        "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

        by skwimmer on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 04:29:14 AM PST

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        •  So did we hire people... (none)
          Did we hire thousands of new agents, or just re-label guys who are doing the same job they were doing five years ago?  

          I suspect we spent most of our money getting new stationary to accomodate newer, more "security" sounding job-titles, but I don't really know.

          •  not necessarily boots on the ground (none)
            but lots of boots on the desk.  Think FEMA.

            Most new hires are in the TSA.  The people I meet in that department don't make me feel more secure.

            Huge payroll budget increases under Bush have been seen in Homeland Security, huge decreases in social programs.   http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

            Can you guess who first proposed the Department?  His initials are J.L...

            "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

            by skwimmer on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 05:15:56 AM PST

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      •  though this story is false (none)
        there are lots of things you can say on this very site that will get you a visit from a real live HS agent, and very quickly.

        they don't be wearing marking gear like the ATF.  they prefer secrecy except when they are deliberately trying to intimidate.

        in fact the more likely thing is to come and search your stuff (and computer) without ever telling you they were there (and you might never figure it out).

        How do any of us know they haven't already been to visit us?  Whose personal firewalls are that good?

        I don't recommend deliberately testing the truth of my words unless that's the way you want to start your personal revolution.

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. IMPEACH

        by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 05:25:13 AM PST

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    •  Not every college, every interlibrary loan agency (none)
      For example, in Ohio, monitoring OhioLink would get you over 95% of every interlibrary loan in the state. The original story is that the request of The Little Red Book by someone who was already on the watch list because of overseas trabel is what triggered the visit. I would think it implausible that every one who requested The Little Red Book receives a visit from the men in black, I think it quite possible for the feds to be informed of everyone who requests certain books and have that data to be added to a database and when certain individuals in that database have multiple `strikes' against them, a pair of agents gets sent out to investigate.

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