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  •  Far from being principled (4.00 / 3)

    they are nihilists intentionally choosing annihilation by helping the person they know to be the worst, maintain power. At least the people on the far right who choose small ultra-radical parties over bush do so out of belief in something. These people in fact have no principles, and express the ultimate subjectivity in believing something to be true in contradiction to all known facts, simply because they 'feel' it. Kant over Aristotle = the decline of western civilization. Bush makes no reference to facts in making his choices. Naderites are soul mates philisophicaly in their contempt for reality.

    Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. George Orwell

    by moon in the house of moe on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 07:41:59 AM PDT

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    •  Can't resist... (4.00 / 4)

      "Nihilists! F*ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."--Walter Sobchak

      Wow, in light of what you said in your post, this quote is actually pretty apt.

      by Rob Humenik on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 08:13:24 AM PDT

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      •  Excellent (none / 1)

        And you even spelled Walter's last name correctly!  You earn a "4" for that alone.

        by drjimcooper on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 08:26:17 AM PDT

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      •  The defining moment (none / 1)

        where John Goodman wins a great battle for Western civilization in the parking lot of a bowling ally:

                         DONNY
                Are these the Nazis, Walter?

        Walter answers, also sotto voce, his eyes still on the three
        men:

                        WALTER
                They're nihilists, Donny, nothing to
                be afraid of.

        snip...

                        DIETER
                VEE FUCK YOU UP, MAN!

                        WALTER
                Come and get it.  Fucking nihilist.

                        DIETER
                I FUCK YOU!  I FUCK YOU!

                        WALTER
                Show me what you got.  Nihilist.
                Dipshit with a nine-toed woman.

        In a rage, Dieter charges.

                        DIETER
                I FUCK YOU!  I FUCK YOU!

        WALTER

        hurls his leather satchel.

        KIEFFER

        Watching Dieter's charge, is caught off-guard.  The bowling
        ball thuds into his chest and lifts him off his feet.

        He falls back, his uzi clattering away.

        WALTER

        twists away as Dieter reaches him; grabs Dieter's head in
        both hands; draws Dieter's head up to his mouth, which closes
        on Dieter's ear.

        snip...

        WALTER

        still worrying the ear.  With a tearing sound his head and
        Dieter's separate.

        DIETER, EARLESS, SCREAMS:

                        DIETER
                I FUCK YOU!  YOU CANNOT HURT ME!  I
                BELIEF IN NUSSING!

        Walter spits his ear into his face.

        DUDE

        The Dude and Franz, both now panting heavily, have yet to
        establish body contact.  Franz continues to kick.

                        FRANZ
                VEAKLING!

        WALTER

        draws back his fist.

                        DIETER
                NUSSING!

                        WALTER
                ANTI-SEMITE!

        Bam!--A powerhouse blow to the middle of his face drops Dieter
        for the count.

        DUDE AND FRANZ

        With a piercing shriek Franz finally summons the nerve to
        charge the Dude, hands raised to deliver karate blows.

        As he reaches the Dude--WHHAP--the  boom box swings into
        frame to smash him in the face.  Its volume shoots up.

        Walter bashes him a few more times over the head.  The music
        screeches to static, then quiet.  Laid out now, Franz too is
        quiet.

        Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. George Orwell

        by moon in the house of moe on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 09:45:15 AM PDT

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    •  nihilists (none / 1)

      While you might be right about some Nader supporters, it is incorrect to think that this applies to all Nader supporters. I voted for him in 2000 and I can assure you that nihilism was not my motivation. Why is it so hard to understand that just because someone disagrees with you on practical strategy does not mean that their basic motivation is so different from yours.

      Chomsky Fever! John McCain sucks.

      by miasmo on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 11:10:33 AM PDT

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      •  Absolutely (none / 0)

        and here is another post I made this morning. Note the 'CURRENT' in the title:

        Reaching out to CURRENT Naderites

        is like reaching out to Lenin or Mao. He is a revolutionary intent on destroying the system so he and his followers can then have power and do things their way. Bush is his instrument of destruction and his way of punishing Americans for their sins. I think it's baloney that things are negotiable with Nader or his core followers. They're out to reap the whirwind.

        Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. George Orwell

        by moon in the house of moe on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 11:29:55 AM PDT

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        •  Or could it be that (none / 1)

          they're just a bunch of rebellious idealistic kids who can see how shitty the system is and are voting for the only guy speaking up for what they believe in?

          Chomsky Fever! John McCain sucks.

          by miasmo on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 12:08:19 PM PDT

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          •  Idealistic kids (none / 0)

            Ya think?  Interesting question on the demographics of the Nader voter.

            Betcha not so many kids as you imply.

            Everybody dies alone.

            by Armando on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 12:32:57 PM PDT

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            •  correct (none / 0)

              Armando, I think you're right. I remember seeing a poll somewhere which showed that Naderites were generally middle-aged white people with bad hair and bad personalities.

              OK, maybe the poll didn't say all that, but I think Nader's mostly down to his "flaky people" base.

              Kids might be crazy, but we're not stupid.

              The Gas Tax Holiday is a Mental Vacation.

              by JimTXDem on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 12:45:02 PM PDT

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              •  Nice! (none / 1)

                white people with bad hair and bad personalities

                All the cool kids are voting for Kerry. All those Nader voters are just a bunch of nerds who don't even know what's cool! I'm wouldn't be seen anywhere near them in the lunch room, except maybe to make fun of them. Ha!

                I don't have any idea who is supporting Nader this time. I have not met any. I suspect it's not significant based on his lack of success at getting signatures thus far. I bet most of the people registering as Nader voters in the polls are just undecideds vaguely dissatisfied with the sucky choices available and who don't know much at all about Nader.

                Chomsky Fever! John McCain sucks.

                by miasmo on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 01:05:22 PM PDT

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              •  It's not that you're stupid (none / 0)

                It's that, by and large, kids don't bother to take the time to think.

                Don't worry, though. You'll grow out of it -- I did.

                God bless America. God bless our troops.
                God damn George Bush to the fires of eternal damnation.

                by Bill Rehm on Fri Jun 25, 2004 at 01:07:05 PM PDT

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