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  •  But I should say that I didn't hear about (none / 0)

    this until yesterday, when a concerned colleague in another department forwarded information about it to a bunch of colleagues...and he had only found out about it by reading the Mumper interview in the newspaper that day.

    The point is, no-one in academe knew about this until it was well introduced in the senate, and until it was passed to the university for debate and consideration.

    We are being blindsided by the recently-upped level of aggressiveness of the conservatives in this state.

    •  So, they are trying to destroy nationally (none / 1)

      recognized institutions such as OSU, Miami of Ohio, Ohio U. Yeah, that will surely benefit the state of ohio. Universities with their reputations flushed into the toilet. That's got to be great for business and the state's tax base, but hey, the state has been leaking jobs anyway under theh GOP gov. so who cares if no one in Ohio has a job!

      Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

      by upstate NY on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 07:55:24 AM PDT

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      •  _TRYING_ to destroy _Ohio State??_ (none / 0)

        They were trying in 1980. Time to update our calendars folks!

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:03:26 AM PDT

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        •  Not everyone lives in Ohio or knows OSU (none / 1)

          issues.

          Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

          by upstate NY on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:05:12 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry. (none / 1)

            I mostly knew the institution from the support staff side. I do know that there have been steady complaints from faculty about pay relative to peer institutions, but I don't know much about other issues of faculty such as academic or research conditions.

            C. 20 years ago the state support staff jobs at the university were detached from the rest of the state pay scale. So the same job at university could give 10-20% lower pay than the same job at other state agencies.

            The University began corporatizing quite a long time ago. In fact for a few years till recently the official title of the web home page was "Corporate Web Page."

            For support staff, longevity pay raises were tapered off to near zero as the number of pay grades were greatly reduced so that it became increasingly difficult either to promote oneself into higher earnings. Raises when granted by admin would be in the range of 1% when admin were getting 20-30% and more at the time I left.

            Research began to decouple from the university to allow outsourcing, which reduces the fraction of grant money available to underwrite university infrastructure, and also increasingly privatizes research and its results.

            Although it's a land-grant university and required to accept all OH high school grads, OSU has for some time been looking for a higher class of clientele. By the late 90's I think there was only one quarter of the admissions year that was truly wide open enrollment.

            A useful glimpse of the university's view of its role in society is the incident when local Republican billionaire Les Wexner brought former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to campus for a private meeting with a couple dozen business school grad students. This was in the 90's, sometime around the Gingrich takeover. They didn't want to "bother" the nation's largest public institution of higher learning with the "hassle" of a visit from a world leader. A contestant on a Jeopardy game mentioned being one of those students a few years ago.

            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:30:02 AM PDT

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            •  HIghly qualified students (none / 0)

              should avoid OSU and other Ohio state universities (an exception is Miami) and opt for one of Ohio's better liberal arts colleges if they want a first rate education.  Oberlin, Kenyon, Wooster, John Carroll, Ohio Wesleyan, and Wittenberg are examples of schools in Ohio that place their emphasis on nurturing independent minds.  One can never completely trust govenment established schools to do that job.
      •  Yeah, (none / 0)

        As a professor I would be much more reluctant to accept a position at an Ohio school if such a bill were passed.

        George W. Bush makes Reagan look smart, Nixon look honest, and his dad look coherent.

        by Dave the pro on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 11:54:27 AM PDT

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    •  I'm a freshman (none / 1)

      at Ohio State right now, and the only thing that is influencing me to be liberal are the neocons currently in power.

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