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  •  I have some "good" bills (4.00 / 5)

    that I'm going to write about in another diary. There are several...

    by Coldblue Steele on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 03:03:46 PM PDT

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    •  I will be looking forward to that diary! (4.00 / 2)

      I know the "good" bills seem impossible to pass but I think we need to create wedge issues and show the public what the Republicans truly support--Big Business and not much else.

      by stayingpositive on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 03:06:43 PM PDT

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    •  Important To Emphasize Alternatives (none / 1)

      It defuses the obstructionist charges.

      by HL Mungo on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 05:04:15 PM PDT

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      •  Obstructionist?? (4.00 / 5)

        Who the fuck cares if the vermin think we're "obstructionists?" I'm positive Hitler considered Churchill an "obstructionist." We're in the fight for our lives, our children's future, and the future of this country as a representative democracy. You're goddamn straiight, we're "obstructionists."

        Here are a few, choice quotes from old Winnie...


        I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many months of struggle and suffering.

        You ask, what is our policy? I say it is to wage war by land, sea, and air. War with all our might and with all the strength God has given us, and to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.

        You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory. Victory at all costs - Victory in spite of all terrors - Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival.

        Winston Churchill, May 13th, 1940


        Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

        We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

        Winston Churchill, June 4th, 1940


        Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

        Winston Churchill, October 29th, 1941

        by jakethomson on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 06:56:36 PM PDT

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        •  Good Old W.C Fields. I Mean Winnie. (none / 0)

          "An iron curtain has descended across Europe"

          "..but in the morning I'll be sober. Now lets fuck."

          I'm unsure of the last one. I should google it.

          Think he might have proposed legislation from time to time. Maybe. I'll google it.

          by HL Mungo on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 08:02:46 PM PDT

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          •  Odds are (4.00 / 2)

            Winnie was having one of his famously cordial NOT chats with Lady Astor. As I recall the exchange went something like this:

            Lady Astor: Sir Winston, you are drunk. Very, very, drunk.

            Sir Winnie: I am indeed quite drunk madam. And you are ugly, very, very ugly. The differance is, in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.

            In another exchange Lady Astor said something like: If you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea.

            To which Winston replied: And if I were your husband madam, I'd drink it.

            by jakethomson on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 10:14:25 PM PDT

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      •  I don't care about "obstructionist" (none / 0)

        but it's true that in some cases some action needs to be taken - the estate tax for example. Having it be 0 in 2010 but back to where it was in 2011 is bad policy and wicked.

        I like the concept of the estate tax. However, there are some very real issues involved particularly with ranches and farms, which often have the curious combination of a very low cash flow but very high asset value. The thing to realize is that in some cases you have ranchers making say $30k or $40k a year running cattle on $50million land parcels.

        So if the parent dies, handing it down in the family, the taxes are due even if the children would like to keep the land and continue the business at the old level.

        This is bad for us as environmentalists because $50 million is its value as houses and strip malls. In California, land prices are through the roof and in general farmland is so high because of its concurrent development value that it is very difficult to make a profit if you are paying a mortgage of recent vintage.

        Conservation easements are a big help, but they also can limit the ability to change gears if times become truly tough.

        Setting up estate taxes so they only apply to assets that are liquidated would be an improvement. Or you could specifically exempt property where the beneficiary makes his primary residence, or where the beneficiary works more than half-time.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 08:09:09 AM PDT

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