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  •  Giuliani is no Nagin (4.00 / 7)

    From what I've seen, Giuliani is no Nagin. Things happened in a few hours in NY, so Giuliani didn't have much to do that was critical or that would have made the difference between life and death, his was mostly a PR job. Aterwards there were few injured and hardly any dead bodies to deal with, and except for a small part of downtown the whole city was still operational and able to support the displaced. (And there never was any accountability for major problems in preparedness, such as the lousy the police and fire dept. communications equipment, and the brilliant idea of placing the city's emergency command center at the site of a previous attack).

    Nagin has lost all his infrastructure and is seeing people die every day while the federal government sat on its ass for days, and is keeping his resolve admirably. He's shares part of the responsibility for the lack of preparation (though most of it seems to be FEMA's), but he has been very impressive since then, given what he has to work with.

    by miholo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 07:50:57 AM PDT

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    •  good pts. (4.00 / 2)

      --watching a mob die slowly vs. the immediate deaths of 9/11.
      do you remember all the blood donated and no injured to receive it because they were already dead?
      i'm sure you all will continue to uncover the "credentials" of bush appointments.  keep up the good work.

      by stagemom on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 08:27:22 AM PDT

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    •  Giuliani is a punk. (none / 0)

      Regardless of anything he might deserve during the 9/11 disaster, he has turned it into a financial windfall and disgusting marketing scam. For those that might forget, on his watch "America's finest police force" sodomized an inmate, shot unarmed, innocent victims, and other pravesties that seem to be forgotten. He was also having an affair while mayor, and if I'm not mistaken, adutery is not high on the Catholic morality list.
      Granted, the man has accomplished more than I have and possibly ever will in my lifetime, but I don't pretend I'm something I'm not.
      Nagin seems to be a ddecent person and possibly competent mayor. This was not something he could deal with without federal and national assistance. Time will be the judge, but to compare him with Giuliani ain't comparing apples and apples.

      by wardeo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 01:02:10 PM PDT

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      •  you mean the Giuliani who... (none / 0)

        ...tried to justify the police shooting of an unarmed 30 year old black security guard by trying to sully the man's character before his body was even cold?  

        ...or the one who told the media he wanted a divorce before discussing the issue with his wife?

        Neither one is the type of person who, IMO, deserves to wield power.

        by Big River Bandido on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 01:15:55 PM PDT

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        •  he said that the victim was (none / 0)

          "no altar boy", while, in fact, he was.

          It was pretty disgusting.  In any case, the idea that it is OK for an undercover policeman to get into a physical altecation and then avenge a punch in the face with a fatal shot, provided that the victim is merely a FORMER altar boy... requires no comments.

          by Piotr on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 12:56:54 PM PDT

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    •  And Nagin is effected (none / 0)

      Nagin and his staff have all been effected by this hurricane in ways Guiliani's staff couldn't have been in 2001. They've lost their homes, their loved ones and they are unable to attend to their personal affairs. On top of that, they're not able to improve the situation for their citizens because of the federal government's incompetence.

      Nagin isn't just a PR mouthpiece for his city.

      by HootiHoo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 01:48:51 PM PDT

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