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  •  When the hell will Bush be held accountable (4.00 / 2)

    for the results of his fucked up policies and his shoddy government?

    This is an outrage.  This is a total fucking outrage.  Bush put this incompetent, lying thief in charge of the agency charged with managing disasters-- disasters that threaten people's LIVES?  Disasters that KILL PEOPLE?  And Bush gave this guy the post purely for political reasons-- because he was one of the club?  What the FUCK sort of responsibility is anyone going to demand that this president take for his decisions?

    by concernedamerican on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 06:59:46 AM PDT

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    •  PLEASE CIRCULATE (4.00 / 10)

      The spin for today is that NAGIN IS NO GUILIANI.

      Please help counter the spin!

      Most important, please read below CRITICAL information I received from Rep. Arthur Morrell's staff:

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      I learned from Jean-Paul Morrell (the son of New Orleans' City Councilwoman Cynthia Hedge Morrell and State Representative Arthur Morrell, brother of NOPD Special force Sergeant Todd F. Morrell) that NOPD has not received food or even bullets from the federal government.

      They are down to about 10 bullets per officer.

      Looters have raided the armory (that was supposed to be protected by national guardsmen that weren't there) and police officers have been eating Peanut Butter sandwiches because the Feds won't even give them MREs.

      Jean-Paul also has learnt that the National Guard had not been deployed into New Orleans before Thursday. Most of the national guard troops, reported to be in the region, are in Baton Rouge awaiting orders.

      Jean-Paul also informed me that the Federal Government is requesting that the Mayor of New Orleans relinquish control of New Orleans.

      The Mayor has refused to do so, stating that he is the legally elected representative from New Orleans to represent the people's interest.

      Guilliani was not asked to relinquish control of New York.

      by MFL on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 07:11:34 AM PDT

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      •  hmmm.... (none / 0)

        I find this very interesting.  Are they refusing to deploy the troops until the mayor "abdicates"?

        Frankly at this point and time there is no New Orleans, it no longer exists.  There really is nothing to reliquish.  The mayor is now an advocate, but the city has essentially been wiped out.  he has no resources of his own to call upon. That is the difference between now and 9/11.

        If you can't stand the heat, don't play with matches.

        by DawnG on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 07:42:00 AM PDT

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      •  Giuliani is no Nagin (4.00 / 7)

        From what I've seen, Giuliani is no Nagin. Things happened in a few hours in NY, so Giuliani didn't have much to do that was critical or that would have made the difference between life and death, his was mostly a PR job. Aterwards there were few injured and hardly any dead bodies to deal with, and except for a small part of downtown the whole city was still operational and able to support the displaced. (And there never was any accountability for major problems in preparedness, such as the lousy the police and fire dept. communications equipment, and the brilliant idea of placing the city's emergency command center at the site of a previous attack).

        Nagin has lost all his infrastructure and is seeing people die every day while the federal government sat on its ass for days, and is keeping his resolve admirably. He's shares part of the responsibility for the lack of preparation (though most of it seems to be FEMA's), but he has been very impressive since then, given what he has to work with.

        by miholo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 07:50:57 AM PDT

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        •  good pts. (4.00 / 2)

          --watching a mob die slowly vs. the immediate deaths of 9/11.
          do you remember all the blood donated and no injured to receive it because they were already dead?
          i'm sure you all will continue to uncover the "credentials" of bush appointments.  keep up the good work.

          by stagemom on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 08:27:22 AM PDT

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        •  Giuliani is a punk. (none / 0)

          Regardless of anything he might deserve during the 9/11 disaster, he has turned it into a financial windfall and disgusting marketing scam. For those that might forget, on his watch "America's finest police force" sodomized an inmate, shot unarmed, innocent victims, and other pravesties that seem to be forgotten. He was also having an affair while mayor, and if I'm not mistaken, adutery is not high on the Catholic morality list.
          Granted, the man has accomplished more than I have and possibly ever will in my lifetime, but I don't pretend I'm something I'm not.
          Nagin seems to be a ddecent person and possibly competent mayor. This was not something he could deal with without federal and national assistance. Time will be the judge, but to compare him with Giuliani ain't comparing apples and apples.

          by wardeo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 01:02:10 PM PDT

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          •  you mean the Giuliani who... (none / 0)

            ...tried to justify the police shooting of an unarmed 30 year old black security guard by trying to sully the man's character before his body was even cold?  

            ...or the one who told the media he wanted a divorce before discussing the issue with his wife?

            Neither one is the type of person who, IMO, deserves to wield power.

            by Big River Bandido on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 01:15:55 PM PDT

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            •  he said that the victim was (none / 0)

              "no altar boy", while, in fact, he was.

              It was pretty disgusting.  In any case, the idea that it is OK for an undercover policeman to get into a physical altecation and then avenge a punch in the face with a fatal shot, provided that the victim is merely a FORMER altar boy... requires no comments.

              by Piotr on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 12:56:54 PM PDT

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        •  And Nagin is effected (none / 0)

          Nagin and his staff have all been effected by this hurricane in ways Guiliani's staff couldn't have been in 2001. They've lost their homes, their loved ones and they are unable to attend to their personal affairs. On top of that, they're not able to improve the situation for their citizens because of the federal government's incompetence.

          Nagin isn't just a PR mouthpiece for his city.

          by HootiHoo on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 01:48:51 PM PDT

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      •  Another poor comparison from the right (4.00 / 2)

        just like comparing WWII to Iraq.  

        by Dr Van Nostrand on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 08:09:30 AM PDT

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    •  PLEASE CIRCULATE (none / 0)

      The spin for today is that NAGIN IS NO GUILIANI.

      Please help counter the spin!

      Most important, please read below CRITICAL information I received from Rep. Arthur Morrell's staff:

      =======

      I learned from Jean-Paul Morrell (the son of New Orleans' City Councilwoman Cynthia Hedge Morrell and State Representative Arthur Morrell, brother of NOPD Special force Sergeant Todd F. Morrell) that NOPD has not received food or even bullets from the federal government.

      They are down to about 10 bullets per officer.

      Looters have raided the armory (that was supposed to be protected by national guardsmen that weren't there) and police officers have been eating Peanut Butter sandwiches because the Feds won't even give them MREs.

      Jean-Paul also has learnt that the National Guard had not been deployed into New Orleans before Thursday. Most of the national guard troops, reported to be in the region, are in Baton Rouge awaiting orders.

      Jean-Paul also informed me that the Federal Government is requesting that the Mayor of New Orleans relinquish control of New Orleans.

      The Mayor has refused to do so, stating that he is the legally elected representative from New Orleans to represent the people's interest.

      Guilliani was not asked to relinquish control of New York.

      by MFL on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 07:12:28 AM PDT

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      •  BushCo wouldnt play deadly politics, would they. (4.00 / 2)

        Lets see, Florida has multiple hurricanes and
        gets immediate, and I mean immediate, response for
        republiCo family member Jeb.

        Louisiana has a Democratic governor who narrowly beat her republican opponent to become the first women governor of Louisiana in 130 years, New Orleans has a tough talking mayor in Ray Nagin who turned democrat in 2002 and won his election by beating 14 opponents(a) including the the Dem police chief Richard Pennington who came in second and was the favorite of "GOP heavyweights" who no doubt were behind the anonymous  "smear" phone(b) calls about Nagin targeting white new orleanians

        (a)-http://robwalker.net/html_docs/nodiarist.html
        (b)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Nagin

        by Jay on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 08:50:36 AM PDT

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