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  •  Part of the problem (0+ / 0-)

    Poltical blog persona's want to be journalist. A contridiction that will only allow this to go so far.

    •  not a problem (4+ / 0-)

      just some new opportunities and challenges to get sorted out.

      It's a new era.

      •  I wish I could agree (0+ / 0-)

        But I can't. I really don't want to go into exactly who I am, but I can tell you I own and have owned  several publishing houses over the years. With those, 3 ad agencies and several other forms of publically consumed products of print and media.

        The figures I see would not support your contention, I truly wish they did. People just don't trust journalist to be part of the decision making process of politics. I've seen that revealed to me so many times I could not possibly mention  all the venues that have shown me that. And that won't be changing anytime soon.

        You see, there exist an inherent distrust of the press and journalist when they begin to push certain politicians. It ends up having an opposite effect.

        But many of the people here are new and young and have not had enough time on this planet, or enough exposure to figures like I see daily to understand that quite yet, but it's coming.

        Hopefully it won't take too long so people don't waste so much of their time. Making them distinctly different entities has shown to solve the problem.

        But, what do I know?

        •  what do you know? (1+ / 0-)
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          I guess that remains to be seen. I think it is more a matter of what we are all going to find out together.

          •  I've been stewing for years (0+ / 0-)

            Since the mid 70's I have had a boiling stew inside me that had become so frustrated that so many were so indifferent to politics and what was going on in their lives I was about to explode.

            This venue has change many things. As it stands now, it has accomplished getting people talking about things, along with hicups of action from time to time.

            True action however, will come when people see that the press/journalist and the politician are not one. And by the way, they should never be that.

            The blog's have allowed truth to be a forefront of discussion, but remain mostly discussion. That's very encouraging to me compaired to the past all the same.

            But here's the premise. Most of the MSM is owned by politicians or their friends in corporate America. Want to make a real change? Push legislation that doesn't allow ownership of more than one press or media outlet. That would actually end up hurting me, but I would support it.

            Any corporation can own only one radio station, only one television station, only one anything. Make sure these companies (the media outlet) cannot be publically traded in said legislation, but make public exactly who owns them.

            Start there, and what you want may in fact be possible, that would be my advice.

        •  What about the effect of (2+ / 0-)
          Newspaper endorsements?  From what I have read, they can have a powerful effect on the fortunes of politicians.

          And how many people choose a paper, or did in the past because the common wisdom or fact that the paper already supported their own politics?

          And how do we know that you are not your dog?  Please share what you "have seen" so that we can also learn from it.

          The Porter Goss resignation story has legs. And they're spreading. 05.05.06

          by Bionic on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:39:25 PM PDT

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          •  More than glad to (0+ / 0-)

            The biggest misconception about the current large media outlets is that they represnt the free press. People, I hate to say this, but the free press vanished more than 35 years ago.

            Now it's a power stuggle venue for those who wish to have, what else, more power.

            Newspapers use to have much more influence that they did, television owns those roads today, but it still remains a large force.

            The blog's are America's greatest chance to break that hold, and many are extremely fearful of that. But, as long as the avenue to take over such blog's exist, or that the people that run them don't understand the vast majority of the general public's fears, then it will remain largely inaffective. Once blog's begin to become specialized, we will start to see success.

            •  Are you trying to say (1+ / 0-)
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              That Kossacks don't realize that the free press is dead?

              Really?

              Just curious.  How old are you?

              The Porter Goss resignation story has legs. And they're spreading. 05.05.06

              by Bionic on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:56:14 PM PDT

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              •  Too Old LOL (0+ / 0-)

                Well, it does exist, but is very small. The blog's however, still do not possess the structure that will allow general consensus among members. When specialization happens, that will happen.

                By the way, ya little youngster you, there are now 7 major corporations doing just that to take control of memberships, one of my compnies is building one at this very moment.

                Video, news outlets stations, prioritizing issues and still allowing people to post their thoughts, the current, and nearly only draw.

                It's gonna change, and it's gonna change soon. The current blog structure is vunerable, and I am simply the messenger, so put the guns down.

                •  I bow down to your vast wisdom (1+ / 0-)
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                  Obviously you are far older and wiser than I and all the rest of us Kossacks.

                  We really have no idea that corporations are circling like wolves to to snatch up another income stream like the blogs.

                  Surely the government will protect us?

                  And of course no one here ever actually does anything but blog, innocent of the coming new master.

                  But I still think you are your dog.

                  The Porter Goss resignation story has legs. And they're spreading. 05.05.06

                  by Bionic on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:59:54 PM PDT

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                  •  I would think the same, (1+ / 0-)
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                    so no offense taken. From your statements, I can see there is a consensus of thought, the threat is there. And, it's bigger than most percieve. That is the wisdom, and only wisdom I can offer to this.

                    This is why I am here. I know what's happening, because I am part of it through my businesses. A nesseccary step to achieve true action. I am only hoping that there will be some who also agree and would like to do something about it (as far as the structure is concerned).

                    I will, fund, support, lay the foundation of, and pay for in full, the things that would need to be done to compete and keep the enourmous edge currently enjoyed for kos, or any other venue that wants my support for the Democratic party and the progressives.

                    Because I make note of the current situation does not make me anything other than the messenger with money, and a willing party to keep that advantage in place and see it kept.

                    I didn't get where I am because I am a nice guy, I'm not, and will be the first to acknowledge that. But I am not without a moral purpose, and would like to see this threat seen more clearly and something done about it.

                    Perhaps a dog is some way, but a good dog all the same.

                    •  Then I applaud your interest (1+ / 0-)
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                      But you must realize that many of your statements are not news here and if you try to present them as some sort of secret knowledge, you'll just turn off a lot of people.

                      There are a lot of people here.  Many of them are highly active, not only in politics, but in their own fields.  Many hold senior positions in what they do.  Don't make the mistake of thinking everyone here is an inexperienced kid.  Or that we don't know what is going on in the corporate world.

                      You never know who might be reading what you say.  And I mean that in a good way.  President Carter, John Kerry, various Senators and other big movers and shakers post here.

                      In fact, I would suggest that if you are actually serious, you should think about going to Fred's symposium/East Kos.  I'm surprised you aren't at Ykos.  That's where you will meet a lot of movers and shakers.  Others with money, direction and drive.

                      Be sure to check out Fred's blog.  He's a serious player in the fight against the creeping fascism in America.

                      The Porter Goss resignation story has legs. And they're spreading. 05.05.06

                      by Bionic on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 06:24:02 PM PDT

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                      •  Bitching match (1+ / 0-)
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                        Frederick Clarkson

                        This is the run-along for so many kos conversations. Something we have allowed ourselves to delve into. Part of what people do, it's not a problem.

                        And, please know I am aware of what kos is and who is part of it. Been watching for more than a couple of years now, and this wouldn't be by any means, the only one I have kept an eye on.

                        I knew President Johnson very well and have met with others. I can't actually say I have personally known others, other than just in passing acknowledgement.

                        I've been around. Now, not everyhting in my life that I have done I am proud of. In fact alcoholism, tyranny and outright bad behavior have been part of my life. Let's just call it hands on experience.
                        But those who want to better themselves eventually will.

                        I'm not going to claim I am some big "mover or shaker" at least not publically, I don't fit the criteria's neccessary to achieve that type of public support. But I am learned, can admit my mistakes and will not quite when it comes to accomplishing what I want, and have accomplished things, even the great, "movers and shakers" would lend respect to.

                        Many already know who I am (I'm sorry to make this seem secretive), and I am serious.

                        You know, I want to point something out to you. If I had taken an approach to this article that was serene in it's approach, you would not be talking to me, neither would Frederick.

                        I got the attention I wanted. Now I would like to go from here. This is my style, my way, what I have learned over many years. If I truly want to make the impact that I intend to make, I would not be coming in as a novice pretending to know something or the other in a kind and predictable manner.

                        With that said, I do intend to make a difference. I do intend to change the way things are done. I do intend to lead in such a way that lends support to gaining usable consensus among members. When that is done I will disappear into the woodwork. And hope, that what I have intended to do, actually happens.

                        Best Wishes

                        and know this place has my "in the back" support.

                    •  I like dogs (0+ / 0-)

                      If you would like to talk, I would be interested. We have writers, but we could use some structural and financial help.

                      Both Leibling and Menken are credited with saying something to the effect that the only people who truly have a free press, are those that own one.

                      Well, I own one, two actually, and I am not afraid to use them.

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