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  •  I agree (none)
    America is not nearly as bad as Stalin, Saddam, Fidel, etc.

    But we look bad when we claim to be freeing the Iraqi people, yet we're torturing them at the same time.

    Plus, don't forget less than 50 yrs. ago, the U.S. government denied syphilis and fed radioactive isotopes to developmentally challenged people.

    So there is definitely a disconnect between rhetoric and reality.

    Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

    by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 04:58:36 PM PDT

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    •  oops (none)
      ...denied syphilis treatment to African American servicemen...

      Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

      by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:04:33 PM PDT

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    •  Yes (4.00)
      these terrible things have been done, and by our government.  But to call the US the greatest purveyor of violence on the face of the Earth at any time in its history is pure fiction.  We're not the most peaceful, but we're certainly not the most violent, either.

      What am I doing on DailyKos? I'm Running for the Right...

      by RFTR on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:06:15 PM PDT

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      •  Agree with you there (none)
        that was MLK's quote.  Part of America's greatness is its self-correcting nature.  It may be slow (look at Jim Crow), but it happens.  I hope we can show the world this nature in regards to the Abu Ghraib scandal.

        Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

        by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:09:58 PM PDT

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        •  It is. (none)
          And it's at testament to the American people who came before us, and the American people now that the self-improvement continues to come.

          Did you read Bill Safire's column in today's NYT?  Read especially the last few paragraphs... I like that he says:

          The United States shows the world its values by investigating and prosecuting wrongdoers high and low.

          Let's just hope that through diligence we can drive our government to hold responsible everyone who is responsible.

          What am I doing on DailyKos? I'm Running for the Right...

          by RFTR on Mon May 10, 2004 at 07:21:15 PM PDT

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      •  Hypocrisy (none)
        But to call the US the greatest purveyor of violence on the face of the Earth at any time in its history is pure fiction.  

        Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The wholesale slaughter of aboriginal Americans. Conquest of portions of Mexico. Internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Tuskeegee. How many deaths in South America, Central America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East? All the fault of Americans. Perhaps the difference between the US and other monsters of history is less one of kind and more of degree.

        Also the hypocrisy sits ill with me. We invade a sovereign nation in the name of human rights, while we violate those rights, and violate sixty year old international law in order to do so. Never were so many bald lies told in support of something supposedly so righteous.

        Add a teaspoon of wine to a barrel of sewage, and you have a barrel of sewage. Add a teaspoon of sewage to a barrel of wine, and you have a barrel of sewage.

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