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  •  There's been some good comments today on just (27+ / 0-)

    how true this is, and how it relates to impeachment.  Gooserock made a comment that observed this is generational in scope and timing, and inclusiveheart gave a great synopsis of the recent portion of the generatonal strategy.

    This was in Gorette's Bush would be impeached by now if Clinton hadn't been? diary, today.  She raises the point that Clinton's impeachment was part of a/this process of arrogating power.  Agree or disagree, it is a very well written diary and a good read.  She ties a lot of things together.

    I also think that this why one of Bush's first acts was to seal all presidential papers via EO 13233.  If people went digging around in Reagan's and Bush the First's papers they would most likely see just how determined and connected R strategy has been over the last 30 to 70 years.  The same people, with a shared agenda, in positions of ever increasing power and influence.

    Not pimpin', but my page has some links to and about EO 13233 in a brief diary I did a while back.  It's just a part of the current mix.  FWIW.

    This whole disassembling and reconstruction on near facist terms strategy/context is so cloaked, yet so pervasive.  It is interesting to see that someone (Cheney/Bush) got too arrogant and/or lazy and went too far this round.  Exposed the whole treasonous underbelly (Ollie North's shadow government in 1984 would be another example) of the long-term strategy.

    Great comment.

    It's full of stars...

    by Terra Mystica on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:30:17 PM PDT

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    •  If this story were on ABC (11+ / 0-)

      instead of just the BBC, it would give Americans a lot of context in viewing Abu Gonzales's obstruction and perjury; Bush's obstruction and felonies; and Cheney's outright lawlessness.

      If this story were well known today in America, the other stories we are following now would have a very different ending.

      •  Does the BBC, and other British channels report (3+ / 0-)
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        things we do not hear here?

        This may sound like an ignorant question, but I have heard that even Murdoch-owned media in Britain are more left-leaning than the norm there.  Which makes them almost "commie" as compared to here.

        It's full of stars...

        by Terra Mystica on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:36:55 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not trying to be rude (3+ / 0-)
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          but I'm shocked a dkos reader would even ask the question.

          Did you miss the review of national magazine covers (can't remember which) where every issue around the globe focused on the Iraq debacle--except for the American version?

          It is a liberating experience to watch foreign news, which is, bracingly, news instead of goodspeak.

          •  I get BBC on my cable package (2+ / 0-)
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            not only through PBS and another channel that cover their nightly news but BBC America which can be almost as edifying through the fiction they put out as entertainment.

          •  I was speaking in terms of US content, with (3+ / 0-)

            respect to impeachment.

            The cover you mention was Newsweek, and was about US foreign policy wrt Iraq v. what was the selling cover in the World.  That caused me to dismiss Fareed Zacharia as a truth teller.

            Rude is OK, if international press is something I need to pay attention to for information on our domestic isssues.  I didn't know, and was asking, if our domestic issues were reported more openly and in investigative detail in the international press, specifically if Murdoch-owned media did so.

            I/we all know here the details of the Bush political mysogeny.  Again, I was just wondering out loud if more investigation has been done and reported by the international press on this issue.

            Perhaps another way to look at it is that I don't have the time or inclination to cast into the international media to get a sense of our own domestic tribulations.  To be honest, it may be informative, but it really doesn't matter much.  But it could, hence my question.

            Be well.

            It's full of stars...

            by Terra Mystica on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:15:33 PM PDT

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            •  I thought it was Newsweek (5+ / 0-)

              but deleted the mention, because I wasn't sure. Glad you remembered it.

              About Rupert-owned media overseas: an excellent question. I'm sure some here know the answer, but I don't.

              In general: There's no question that even UK media cover US affairs infinitely more objectively than American corporate media.

              I know it's ridiculous to have to chase down domestic stories on international media. However, let me raise the comparison between the way people behind Iron Curtain greeted Radio Free Europe; and how today's American voters can't be bothered to follow free, easily accessed international coverage.

              Doesn't speak well about the current generation running the country, generally.

          •  I was especially hit in the face.. (0+ / 0-)

               with this point recently during the Lebanon war in reading many world news accounts of our actions and the delaying tactics by C Rice so that Israel might gain an advantage over Hezbollah.

            Eisenhower- "We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage."

            by NC Dem on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 08:04:14 AM PDT

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    •  Imagine how far along they would have gotten (2+ / 0-)
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      if John Kerry hadn't uncovered IranContra and BCCI operations.

      Imagine how incarcerated they would all be today if Clinton hadn't come along and swept all the outstanding matters under the rug for Poppy Bush throughout his terms.

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